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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 10:09:32 GMT -5
Due to unprecedented demand from around the world, everyone reading ' The Third' is cordially invited to see The Pass. If you cannot make it in person this evening, the film is sold out, London LGBT Film Festival is 30. To celebrate, here are The 30 Best LGBT Films of All Time, as voted by over 100 programmers, critics and filmmakers. I should perhaps confess that I do not fit easily into the LGBT demographic, although do you have any particular favourites, Sydney? Writing in ' The Telegraph', Tim Robey recalls that BFI Flare, formerly known as the London Lesbian and Gay Film Festival (LLGFF), and originally called Gay’s Own Pictures, started out in 1986 as a short season of gay-themed films curated by Peter Packer of the Tyneside Cinema in Newcastle. Packer brought it along as a guest programme to what was then called the National Film Theatre. The Telegraph - BFI Flare: tearing down the gay ghetto
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 1:38:46 GMT -5
. . . do you have any particular favourites, Sydney? LGBT sounds like one of the Great British railway companies prior to the 1947 nationalisation: Great Western Railway (GWR) London, Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS) London and North Eastern Railway (LNER) Southern Railway (SR) What do you suggest? (LGBT) For our present-day circumstances it is a very ill-conceived term, because the "L's" and the "G's" (at least) have nothing whatever in common; they are in fact direct opposites in every way. As regards "particular favourites" for various rating it would be possible for a start to narrow down the field of thirty by removing a) all the Lesbian rubbish, and b) all the Northern American rubbish - Americans removed themselves from the civilised world at the time of Vyet-Name. We would therefore have left just fifteen films. Oddly enough there are very few French films in the suggested list, although there are three or four separate lists of various kinds in the right-hand column, including "Ten Great French ones". Several of my favourite films, and many French ones and Asian ones, are not in any list, but I do not at this point wish to propose my own list, being quite busy with "The Tomorrow People". So here is what is left, in the original order and to be variously rated in the future perhaps: 1. Weekend (British romantic drama). I have not seen it or even ever heard of it, but here is a synopsis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_(2011_film)2. Happy Together (1997). I first saw this film about ten years ago. Anything to do with our former colonial possession delights me. 3. Tropical Malady (2004). I have not seen this one (although it is possible I have it in my cupboard as yet uncatalogued. I will look out for it. The Siamese have the reputation of being rather "wild" do not they? 4. My Beautiful Laundrette (1985). Yes I did see this just before I left the mother country. All right, certainly. 5. All about my Mother (1999). I do not care about the sound of this, and it may in any case not qualify. 6. Un Chant d'Amour (1950). In 1960 or thereabouts I purchased a number of Genet's books, but do not think I ever read them through to the end. His homosexualism seems to stem from his life as a tramp or criminal, whereas my own emerged naturally from public-school life, in an environment very very different from that in which Genet lived. I see the "homo" in this film (which I first watched about ten years ago), but do not see any "sexual" part at all. 7. Victim (1961). I saw this when it first came out. It is a very influential film in which some aspects of life were portrayed in a film for the first time. Realistic up to a point. . . 8. Beau Travail (1999). I happened to see this on the tele-vision machine years ago but did not like it at all. I see now that it was made by a lady and that explains my feeling. 9. Beautiful Thing (1996). I have not seen this, but according to Wikipaedia it too was directed by a lady so I have already lost interest. 10. Stranger by the Lake (2013). I believe I have this in my cupboard but have not yet watched it. The Wikipaedia description is not very encouraging, since it may be too violent and the characters look rather oafish in the photo-graph. 11. Theorem (1968). Did Terence Stamp have a musical connection we wonder? If so, there is no doubt that such a connection would have assisted him with his subsequent cinematic career. I saw this film, what, in the Biograph perhaps, at least twenty years ago, and did enjoy the experience. 12. Death in Venice (1971). Mr. Bogarde is again good in this film (which most people will have seen and enjoyed), but the principal problem with it is that the boy is not beautiful enough - just a kind of ugly Swede. 13. Pink Narcissus (1971). We include this because, although trans-Atlantic, it has already been contributed to the present forum by member Uncle Henry, and we do not wish to drive him away with lack of due respect do we. Does it have much point though we must enquire? 14. Sunday B****y Sunday (1971). This one has a personal connection for me, because the little Malaysian around with whom I was going at the time told me he was just like the boy in it, and so I did not dare to watch it for some years. When at last I ventured to do so, I was not much taken by Mr. Finch or indeed the others. 15. Funeral Parade of Roses (1969). I saw this about ten years ago and found it really a hateful thing, in the Nipponese way.
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Post by ahinton on Mar 17, 2016 4:27:13 GMT -5
. . . do you have any particular favourites, Sydney? LGBT sounds like one of the Great British railway companies prior to the 1947 nationalisation: Great Western Railway (GWR) London, Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS) London and North Eastern Railway (LNER) Southern Railway (SR) What do you suggest? (LGBT) I don't. I cannot imagine why anyone would. For our present-day circumstances it is a very ill-conceived term, because the "L's" and the "G's" (at least) have nothing whatever in common; they are in fact direct opposites in every way. Of course they do! Indeed, they could reasonably be argued to have rather more in common than the other two, since the "L" denotes female homosexuals and the "G" male ones. As regards "particular favourites" for various rating it would be possible for a start to narrow down the field of thirty by removing a) all the Lesbian rubbish, and b) all the Northern American rubbish - Americans removed themselves from the civilised world at the time of Vyet-Name. Where's "Vyet-Name"? What the US government perpetrated in Vietnam (with whose location I am familiar) is widely regarded - and quite rightly - as utterly despicable, but the notion of trying to pin responsibility for those atrocities upon every American citizen really is "rubbish". What do you mean by "Lesbian rubbish"? Whatever it is, it sounds to be a calculated patronising gratuitous insult that one would not expect from someone who purports to belong to and advocate the virtues of "the civilised world". Anything to do with our former colonial possession delights me. How very "civilised" of you! (not); It embarrasses me, just as some Amnericans are embarassed about what their counry did in Vietnam... The Siamese have the reputation of being rather "wild" do not they? I've not seen it either, but is it an historical movie? - "Siamese" have not been so termed for around a century. 6. Un Chant d'Amour (1950). In 1960 or thereabouts I purchased a number of Genet's books, but do not think I ever read them through to the end. His homosexualism seems to stem from his life as a tramp or criminal, whereas my own emerged naturally from public-school life, in an environment very very different from that in which Genet lived. Whilst the emergence of your own homosexuality is not the subject here, why do you ascribe it to "public school life" (i.e. private school life)? Was homosexuality encouraged at the school that you attended? Can it in any case be "encouraged"? Or are you implying that the proportion of homosexuals in your school was above average (and I presume you to be referring to a single-sex school). I happened to see this on the tele-vision machine You presumably mean the television. I see now that it was made by a lady and that explains my feeling. Patronising once again. according to Wikipaedia it too was directed by a lady so I have already lost interest. And again; I'll give you nine out of ten for consistency, at least... A hyphen as redundant as are your unnecessary sideswipes at women. Perhaps Terence Stamp had a musical connection? You're quite certain of that, are you? One of Stamp's earliest movies was of Billy Budd, but that's hardly the same thing... No doubt that connection has assisted him with his subsequent cinematic career. Really? I certainly doubt it! 12. Death in Venice (1971). Mr. Bogarde is again good in this film (which most people will have seen and enjoyed) At least you've not made a similar reference to Bogarde and Britten... You mean "American", right? it has already been contributed to the present forum by member Uncle Henry, and we do not wish to drive him away with lack of due respect do we. No, I doubt that you'd drive yourself away; I doubt that Gerard would either... Must "we"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 5:57:29 GMT -5
You're quite certain of that, are you? Thank you for the correction Mr. H. I must be going gaga because the actor of whom I was thinking was David Hemmings, as described in John Bridcut's book. "Britten's interest in Hemmings ceased very abruptly, from the moment his voice broke, which occurred unexpectedly while singing the aria "Malo" during a performance of The Turn of the Screw in 1956 in Paris. Britten was furious, waved Hemmings away, and never had any further contact with him." What a horrid old man! Nothing to do with Teorema though.
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Post by ahinton on Mar 17, 2016 6:18:21 GMT -5
You're quite certain of that, are you? Thank you for the correction Mr. H. I must be going gaga because the actor of whom I was thinking was David Hemmings, as described in John Bridcut's book. "Britten's interest in Hemmings ceased very abruptly, from the moment his voice broke, which occurred unexpectedly while singing the aria "Malo" during a performance of The Turn of the Screw in 1956 in Paris. Britten was furious, waved Hemmings away, and never had any further contact with him." What a horrid old man! Well, I gave you a prompt rather than an actual correction, but yes, you have now made that correction yourself. For the record, however, Britten did not live sufficiently long to become an "old man" and I have to say that I found him to be the very opposite of "horrid" when first I met him in 1969. What about all the other queries that I put to you in my response, though?...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 10:11:37 GMT -5
You have a point about Ls and Gs, Sydney, my observation was that they do not tend to mix, although Bs and Ts add a certain spice to the separate parties. I agree with all your other queries, ahinton!
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Post by ahinton on Mar 18, 2016 11:39:06 GMT -5
You have a point about Ls and Gs, Sydney, my observation was that they do not tend to mix My experience of them is clearly different to yours but, in any case, that was not my point, which was instead that Ls and Gs have homosexuality in common whereas Bs and Ts embrace no such commonality. A G & T "mixes" very well, though, especially with a slice of lime or lemon and some ice! I agree with all your other queries, ahinton! Thank you - but let's see what Sydney (to whom they were addressed in response to his post) has to say about them, if indeed he says anything (which, as I have noted, he has yet to do).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 18:05:58 GMT -5
. . . if indeed he says anything . . . It would not at all do were one to hog the forum what.
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Post by ahinton on Mar 19, 2016 3:44:24 GMT -5
. . . if indeed he says anything . . . It would not at all do were one to hog the forum what. Why "what"? In any case, it would not be necessary for you to "hog the forum" in order to answer some questions about what you had posted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 0:25:24 GMT -5
Very well, the member's six remaining questions are rather trivial, but here is an attempted response.
1. Where's "Vyet-Name"?
It is an area forming part of the Indochina peninsula, a combination of An Nam and what we Europeans call Tonkin. It is sometimes also given the name Nam Việt (meaning simply Southern Việt), a name that goes right back to the second century BC.
It has recently been colonized by Frenchmen, Nipponese, and trans-Atlantic unspeakables.
Ninety-five million people live in it.
2. What do you mean by "Lesbian rubbish"?
I mean worthless productions by Lesbians; items of no spiritual value.
3. is it an historical movie? - "Siamese" have not been so termed for around a century.
We regret to say that we find it impossible to believe the member's wild assertion. The name of the country was changed from Siam to Thai-land as recently as 1939. But then in 1945 it was changed back to Siam, and remained so until 1949, when it was changed to Thai-land again. The word "Thai" means simply "free". In these circumstances, the English adjective "Siamese" continues to be used to the present day by men of steady principles. For more detail about the etymologies please refer to our footnote below.
4. why do you ascribe it [homo-sexualism] to "public school life"? Was homosexuality encouraged at the school that you attended? Can it in any case be "encouraged"?
Briefly: a) Experience; b) yes (by at least four masters and by many students); c) yes, let us hope so.
5. You mean "American", right?
No, I always mean what I say. I have never approved of interpretation, in either prose or musical performance.
6. Must "we"?
Absolutely. If one goes through life without enquiry about points one is not really living is one? One is a mere stuffed goose.
So - now that all Mr. H's queries have been satisfactorily responded to, it is after three years time for him to start some threads of his own. Half a dozen or so will do for a beginning, will they not.
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A) Etymology of "Siam"
The country has always been called Mueang Thai by its citizens. By others it is known by the exonym Siam (สยาม). The word Siam has been identified with the Sanskrit Śyāma (श्याम, meaning "dark" or "brown"). The names Shan and A-hom seem to be variants of the same word. The word Śyâma is possibly not its origin, but a learned and artificial distortion.
B) Etymology of "Thailand"
According to George Cœdès, the word Thai (ไทย) "free man" in the Thai language, "differentiates the Thai from the natives encompassed in Thai society as serfs." A famous Thai scholar argued that Thai (ไท) simply means "people" or "human beings", since his investigation shows that in some rural areas the word "Thai" was used instead of the usual Thai word "khon" (คน) for people.
While Thai people will often refer to their country using the polite form prathet Thai (ประเทศไทย), they most commonly use the more colloquial term mueang Thai (เมืองไทย) or simply Thai, the word mueang, archaically a city-state, commonly used to refer to a city or town as the centre of a region. Ratcha Anachak Thai (ราชอาณาจักรไทย) means "kingdom of Thailand" or "kingdom of Thai". Etymologically, its components are: ratcha (Sanskrit raja "king, royal, realm"); -ana- (Pali āṇā "authority, command, power", itself from an Old Indo-Aryan form ājñā of the same meaning) -chak (from Sanskrit चक्र cakra- "wheel", a symbol of power and rule).
We trust that that will set the member straight.
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Post by ahinton on Mar 20, 2016 3:48:38 GMT -5
Very well, the member's six remaining questions are rather trivial To you, perhaps... 1. Where's "Vyet-Name"?It is an area forming part of the Indochina peninsula, a combination of An Nam and what we Europeans call Tonkin. It is sometimes also given the name Nam Việt (meaning simply Southern Việt), a name that goes right back to the second century BC. It has recently been colonized by Frenchmen, Nipponese, and trans-Atlantic unspeakables. Ninety-five million people live in it. Of course I know where "Vietnam" is; indeed, I said so. It's your bizarre spelling to which I drew attention, as I would have thought was quite obvious. It has been colonised by France, not "Frenchman"; as with most other countries, whether or not they have colonised, France comprises women as well as men. It has been colonsed also by "Japan", please and "The United States of America". 2. What do you mean by "Lesbian rubbish"?I mean worthless productions by Lesbians; items of no spiritual value. I see. "Worthless rubbish" in your personal opinion and distinguishable from much finer work by lesbians. It could be assumed that you impled that all work by lesbians is rubbish and worthless, so I am relieved to learn that this was not what you meant. 3. is it an historical movie? - "Siamese" have not been so termed for around a century.We regret to say that we find it impossible to believe the member's wild assertion. The name of the country was changed from Siam to Thai-land as recently as 1939. But then in 1945 it was changed back to Siam, and remained so until 1949, when it was changed to Thai-land again. The word "Thai" means simply "free". In these circumstances, the English adjective "Siamese" continues to be used to the present day by men of steady principles. For more detail about the etymologies please refer to our footnote below. OK, so not quite a century but, since it's been "Thailand" - without a hyphen - for 67 years since its brief reversion, it's been so for the living memory of most people as is referred to as such by all, not merely "men of steady principles", whoever they may or may not be. Who's "we", I once again ask? 4. why do you ascribe it [homo-sexualism] to "public school life"? Was homosexuality encouraged at the school that you attended? Can it in any case be "encouraged"?Briefly: a) Experience; b) yes (by at least four masters and by many students); c) yes, let us hope so. Interesting. Also disappointing in its insult to homosexuals of both sexes. The encouragerment of homosexuality counts for little when those who are homosexuals are so because that is their personal proclivity; it is not a state or activity that can sensible be encouraged or indeed discouraged. Furthermore, very few people attend "public schools" and there must be many homosexuals who attend other kinds of school. 5. You mean "American", right?No, I always mean what I say. I have never approved of interpretation, in either prose or musical performance. Then do not provide an interpretation of your own. It is clear that "American" is what you connoted by what you wrote. If in any case you do npot approve of any interpretation, good or bad, in prose or music, I feel sorry for you! 6. Must "we"?Absolutely. If one goes through life without enquiry about points one is not really living is one? One is a mere stuffed goose. I ask again - who are "we"? Note:A) Etymology of "Siam"The country has always been called Mueang Thai by its citizens. By others it is known by the exonym Siam (สยาม). The word Siam has been identified with the Sanskrit Śyāma (श्याम, meaning "dark" or "brown"). The names Shan and A-hom seem to be variants of the same word. The word Śyâma is possibly not its origin, but a learned and artificial distortion. B) Etymology of "Thailand"According to George Cœdès, the word Thai (ไทย) "free man" in the Thai language, "differentiates the Thai from the natives encompassed in Thai society as serfs." A famous Thai scholar argued that Thai (ไท) simply means "people" or "human beings", since his investigation shows that in some rural areas the word "Thai" was used instead of the usual Thai word "khon" (คน) for people. While Thai people will often refer to their country using the polite form prathet Thai (ประเทศไทย), they most commonly use the more colloquial term mueang Thai (เมืองไทย) or simply Thai, the word mueang, archaically a city-state, commonly used to refer to a city or town as the centre of a region. Ratcha Anachak Thai (ราชอาณาจักรไทย) means "kingdom of Thailand" or "kingdom of Thai". Etymologically, its components are: ratcha (Sanskrit raja "king, royal, realm"); -ana- (Pali āṇā "authority, command, power", itself from an Old Indo-Aryan form ājñā of the same meaning) -chak (from Sanskrit चक्र cakra- "wheel", a symbol of power and rule). We trust that that will set the member straight. I'm already straight, actually! I've read that, too and, interesting as it is, it doesn't mention what the rest of the world calls Thailand.
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