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Post by Uncle Henry on Feb 13, 2016 19:40:34 GMT -5
Many years ago we had an old gardener called Mr. Eastaugh. He spent his days cutting grass, digging beds and pruning trees. The conductor here is the image of him. His tubby little team-mate on the piano-forte is useless with Bach but does much better with Liszt. Nevertheless we cannot approve of those double glissandi. Brahms never wrote a glissando for the piano-forte. It is simply not the kind of thing that one composes. The conductor himself had a name at a certain period in certain circles as a "composer". But we have never heard an actual musical composition of his. As a result of the European war he produced a few valueless series of plink-plonks which shunned both melody and harmony, but they don't count. How very much grander then is this Liszt!       Members may continue THIS WAY. |
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Post by ahinton on Feb 15, 2016 8:43:45 GMT -5
Many years ago we had an old gardener called Mr. Eastaugh. He spent his days cutting grass, digging beds and pruning trees. The conductor here is the image of him. I would not know; Pierre Boulez never cut my grass, dug my beds or pruned my trees and, if he had, he would surely have done any or all of these in French, doubtless unlike your Mr Eastaugh who is of no conceivable relevance here, especially to any other members who did not know him (i.e. almost certainly all of them). His tubby little team-mate on the piano-forte is useless with Bach but does much better with Liszt. I will wisely ignore that gratuitous comment about Mr Barenboim. Nevertheless we cannot approve of those double glissandi Who cannot do this? - and why? Brahms never wrote a glissando for the piano-forte. It is simply not the kind of thing that one composes. That Brahms did not write a glissando for the piano (which you're probably correct in saying is the case) has no relevance here, since it is not a Brahms concerto that is under discussion. Who is this "one" top whom you refer? If it was good enough for Haydn to write one, it was surely good enough for Liszt! (and if you dispute that Haydn ever did any such thing, just consider the piano trio in which he wrote one in the first movement, albeit without marking it as such, in the days when the only viable solution - playing the passage concerned in octaves in one hand at the requisite tempo - would have requred a virtuoso of Lisztian or Alkanic gifts!). Brahms' piano writing is very different to Liszt's in most respects and each has its exalted place in the repertoire. And please STOP copying the Grewish habit of hyphenating this great instrument! The conductor himself had a name at a certain period in certain circles as a "composer". But we have never heard an actual musical composition of his Who hasn't? As a result of the European war he produced a few valueless series of plink-plonks which shunned both melody and harmony, but they don't count. Boulez did not write at all, or even as he did in post-WWII years, "as a result" of that global conflict. Whether any or all of his works are "valueless" is for you to decide for yourself, not for others. How very much grander then is this Liszt! How very DIFFERENT! - but not of such little interest to Boulez that he declined to conduct it, as he did many other works! Members may continue THIS WAY. [/quote] |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 18:15:18 GMT -5
If it was good enough for Haydn to write one, it was surely good enough for Liszt! (and if you dispute that Haydn ever did any such thing, just consider the piano trio in which he wrote one in the first movement, albeit without marking it as such, in the days when the only viable solution - playing the passage concerned in octaves in one hand at the requisite tempo - would have requred a virtuoso of Lisztian or Alkanic gifts!). To which trio are you referring ahinton? IMSLP lists seven of them. I would be interested to see that passage. Piano Trio in G minor, Hob.XV:1 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in F major, Hob.XV:2 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in A-flat major, Hob.XV:14 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in F major, Hob.XV:17 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in G major, Hob.XV:25 'Gypsy' (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in E-flat major, Hob.XV:30 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in E-flat minor, Hob.XV:31 (Haydn, Joseph) |
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Post by ahinton on Feb 24, 2016 3:04:41 GMT -5
If it was good enough for Haydn to write one, it was surely good enough for Liszt! (and if you dispute that Haydn ever did any such thing, just consider the piano trio in which he wrote one in the first movement, albeit without marking it as such, in the days when the only viable solution - playing the passage concerned in octaves in one hand at the requisite tempo - would have requred a virtuoso of Lisztian or Alkanic gifts!). To which trio are you referring ahinton? IMSLP lists seven of them. I would be interested to see that passage. Piano Trio in G minor, Hob.XV:1 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in F major, Hob.XV:2 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in A-flat major, Hob.XV:14 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in F major, Hob.XV:17 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in G major, Hob.XV:25 'Gypsy' (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in E-flat major, Hob.XV:30 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in E-flat minor, Hob.XV:31 (Haydn, Joseph) Piano Trio in C major, Hob.XV:27 |
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