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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 10:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 3:27:23 GMT -5
Although I have watched a number of cinematographic productions I admit that I have not - yet - seen any of this man Tarkovsky's. He was "married" to women twice, you know. Yet it is encouraging to find this in a book:
"Both Ovchinnikov and Artemyev, who worked with him, agreed that he knew far more about music than most film directors and understood its essence. His taste revolved initially around Chaicoffski, Beethoven and Mozart, and later moved to Bach, to whose works he would listen endlessly. He had little interest in twentieth-century music, and particularly disliked Shostacowich."
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Post by ahinton on Oct 23, 2015 5:48:43 GMT -5
Tarkovsky...was "married" to women twice, you know. Er - why the inverted commas? He was indeed married twice and married his second wife (who survived him) in the year that he became divorced from his first. "Both Ovchinnikov and Artemyev, who worked with him, agreed that he knew far more about music than most film directors and understood its essence. His taste revolved initially around Chaicoffski, Beethoven and Mozart, and later moved to Bach, to whose works he would listen endlessly. He had little interest in twentieth-century music, and particularly disliked Shostacowich." Who's "Chaicoffski"? It's a pity that a movie director of his stature with so singular a grasp of music had little interest in the music of his own century (if indeed that was true); I have no idea what he thought about cows, but his apparent (and apparently unexplained) dislike of Shostakovich, though obviously a pity, is understgandab le at least from the standpoint tht not everyone likes that composer's music!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 18:56:32 GMT -5
. . . a movie director . . . The word "movie" - or "movy" - is a shocking americanism meaning a moving picture of the kind exhibited in a cinematograph hall. After a hundred years the word retains a powerful odour* and is best avoided. [*Of the street, Mr. H.; of commerce.]
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Post by ahinton on Oct 23, 2015 22:49:17 GMT -5
. . . a movie director . . . The word "movie" - or "movy" - is a shocking americanism meaning a moving picture of the kind exhibited in a cinematograph hall. After a hundred years the word retains a powerful odour* and is best avoided. [*Of the street, Mr. H.; of commerce.] Why? How so? And why in any case should its possible origin (which I cannot at present be bothered to look up) be of particular consequence? I think that all of us here know what it means without needing to be told, actually. "Of the street"? So what? Aren't most cinemas, multiplexes et al in streets? And as for "of commerce", when has the making, showing and marketing of movies been devoid of the necessity of commercial input? Even the cheapest of low-budget movies has required finance to enable its existence and its showing and has inevitably therefore been dependent upon some degree of commerciality. I've neither seen "movie" spelt "movy" nor the word "americanism" without an initial capital letter until now; why did you do either of these? Nor, for that matter, have I ever encountered any word that emitted an odour; how do words do that? Why might the word movie "shock" whom - and how might it do so? Wouldn't you agree that "exhibited in a cinematograph hall" is a somewhat clumsy way of saying "shown in a cinema" (which has half the tally of syllables) and at the same time ignores the fact that movies are not always seen in cinemas these days anyway? Lastly (for the time being, at least), why draw specific attention to what you believe to be an "Amercianism" in an implied pejorative manner when America has so rich a history of movie making? (it's far from alone in that, of course, but such a legacy can nevertheless hardly be denied or even undermined with credibility)...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 8:24:57 GMT -5
I don't know the answers to any of your questions, ahinton. To be honest, I was confused by Andrei Tarkovsky’s greatest film, Mirror, as close to poetry as cinema gets! It is rated one of the greatest films (#19) ever made! BFI - MirrorThis is how it ends: YouTube - Tarkovsky "Mirror" y música de J.S. BachAs for Sydney, I think that you would like the music, if not the film!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 4:44:18 GMT -5
Member kc is right - the opening of the St. John Passion is superlative. The sharpness of all its recurring dissonance only renders it the more beautiful does it not. It was though of course written for performance in a religious establishment, and what Bach might have thought about its performance in the country-side with visions of edgy unclassifiable females on a screen we wonder. Surely there whatever the film is trying to say appears hardly definite. Had Mr. Tarcoffsci wanted to be vague the music of de Bussy would I would have thought have been more fitting.
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Post by ahinton on Oct 27, 2015 7:44:48 GMT -5
Member kc is right - the opening of the St. John Passion is superlative. The sharpness of all its recurring dissonance only renders it the more beautiful does it not. WIth that I can only agree and take great pleasure in so doing! It was though of course written for performance in a religious establishment, and what Bach might have thought about its performance in the country-side with visions of edgy unclassifiable females on a screen we wonder. Surely there whatever the film is trying to say appears hardly definite. Had Mr. Tarcoffsci wanted to be vague the music of de Bussy would I would have thought have been more fitting. Who is this "de Bussy" and why do you respell Tarkovsky at all, let alone as you do here? What Bach might have thought of any of his liturgical works being performed in quite different environments long after his death is something upon which it is possible only to speculate and with how much authority it's impossible to detgermine; one might ponder upon what Chopin might have thought of his Ballades and Scherzi being played on a modern Steinway Model D or Bösendorfer 290 in from up upwards of a thousand people in a concert hall rather than on the kind of Érard or Pleyel with which he would have been familiar in a salon before no more than a couple of dozen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 15:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by ahinton on Oct 27, 2015 16:43:50 GMT -5
I think that Sydney's repeated misspellings of those of whom he does not entirely approve are idiosyncratic, but comical! Idiosyncratic (with or without the "...syncra...") they undoubtedly are; their comedic aspect, if any, however, is lost on me. That said, I raise my glass to the immortal and incomparable J. S. Bach...
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