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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 11:16:55 GMT -5
Dear Sydney,
I write this posting as an open letter, if only to invite a response from you, and from anyone else interested in reading this particular online discussion forum. I am conscious that 'The Third' has been something of a failure over the past year, if only because no one really listens to the digital radio broadcasts, and this particular discussion forum is often little more than a private conversation between me and you, with one or two honourable exceptions.
I suppose that it is worth asking whether there is anything fundamentally wrong with the concept of 'The Third Programme', and indeed, with BBC Radio 3? I think that I would ultimately argue that any attempt to segment an audience may make for good marketing, but it actually does more harm than good. It creates psychological barriers where none need exist. So perhaps we should recombine the third with the second and the first, and possibly even the fourth etc. We are one!
Yours sincerely,
kleines c.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 18:34:55 GMT -5
In a nutshell time to spice up the discussions lads!!
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Post by Gerard on Jan 19, 2014 9:13:56 GMT -5
Thank you for your suggestion Miss Rose! I can do that. I fear it will drive away our two remaining members, but it is nevertheless worth a whirl. What I have in mind will be unique to this forum. . . .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 5:49:10 GMT -5
. . . I suppose that it is worth asking whether there is anything fundamentally wrong with the concept of ' The Third Programme', and indeed, with BBC Radio 3? I think that I would ultimately argue that any attempt to segment an audience may make for good marketing, but it actually does more harm than good. It creates psychological barriers where none need exist. So perhaps we should recombine the third with the second and the first, and possibly even the fourth etc. We are one! Having finally got round to considering this point, all I can say in response is "why not?" But kleines c would have to take the lead, since I know nothing of bbc 2, bbc 1, or even of bbc 4 in whatever form it exists now. Personally I want to continue contributing to the openbsd section - although I don't know whether any one has picked it up. And I know Gerard has one of his long sequences in the planning stage - all about "attachments" if I am not mistaken. And I hope Messrs. c and Hinton will be able to start more threads on suitable subjects . . . (By the way the new preview button doesn't work for me at present.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 9:09:24 GMT -5
I agree, Sydney. As rose suggests, everything should be spiced up! ' The Financial Times' leads with some editorial comment on reviving the BBC after the scandals: UK broadcaster’s future lies ultimately in its own hands. Since Tony Hall took over at the BBC last year, the director-general has been on a mission to refocus the broadcaster’s activities. Time has been called – in word if not yet always in deed – on the empire-building that characterised the reign of his predecessor-but-one, Mark Thompson. Lord Hall has stressed the core task of making programmes that rivals cannot and distributing more content over commercial platforms rather than the BBC building its own. The salmon pink newspaper concludes thus: The BBC still dominates broadcasting in Britain. Let us hope that Tony Hall and those who work for the BBC can do a better job! BBC - Director-General Tony Hall unveils his vision for the BBCAs for ' The Third', the BBC Third Programme was long ago incorporated into BBC Radio 3, but is it spicy enough?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 18:20:56 GMT -5
It is I think noteworthy that the number of members at the Art-Music forum (473) is now a good deal greater than the number of members at the horrible Cat forum (446). Admittedly many at the Art-Musics were poached from the Unsung Composers; nevertheless since that time the total has continued to rise steadily. Why should that be? Simply because of some shared interest about which every one can be enthusiastic.
By contrast, of course, at the present forum the number of those active has slumped to none at all (most days). I suppose here no one is really very interested in the Third Programme; no one is really very interested in the doings at the B.B.C. scandalous or not; no one particularly interested in philosophy; no one but I at all interested in those attachments; OpenBSD appeals to no one (at least not what I have to say about it); skating at Somerset House can be a turn-off for your average red-blooded Englishman; Sorabji's splendours in the rabble-ear amount to no more than a vague tinkle; and so on.
So: we need something new that generates a real and shared enthusiasm. What? I think I will for the time being write rather more - and more systematically - about philosophical systems here, simply because I have not seen suitable philosophy forums elsewhere, and it provides a platform for a certain kinds of exposition and development. But I doubt that will in the least assist with the membership question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
The membership question is an interesting one, Sydney, and it made me reflect on the Third, and whether there was anything wrong with the idea of recreating the Third Programme in the digital age. Well, you could argue that the Third Programme was of its time, and that from a philosophical point of view, it makes no sense in modern media.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 19:22:39 GMT -5
This week at the lending library I happened to see Mr. Farkas's little book entitled Secrets of Podcasting. Podcasting is something of which in my ignorance I have never seen the point or the use. But now finally I think I see that the point is simply its automatic ease. Broadcasts appear on one's machine - portable or not - without any exertion whatever on the part of the listener - they are automatically downloaded overnight or at other idle times. So - given the vast quantity of suitable material available at/from the Art-Music forum - there is yet hope for a Second Third! . . . Must put together some test programmes and undertake experiments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 0:34:54 GMT -5
So, as a first-step I have down-loaded something called "itunes" which is regularly written of at the worthy Miss Frank's forum. Although I do not customarily deal with American "business"-men and their doings at all, I would like to find out why "itunes" is so popular. Unsurprisingly, the first thing it attempts once it has been installed is to connect me with some "shop"! Always such a petty and Jewy lot these "Americans."
As second-step I attempted to play some files from my computer. 1) An mp4 music file was simply ignored without any message. 2) An ogg msic file was also simply ignored without any message. 3) Finally an mp3 music file was played after a fashion. Must try some flacs.
As third-step I went to the "podcasting" section, and clicked on a Japanese language tutorial. Itunes refused to play that also, saying that I had to have another programme - "quick-time" - on my computer (I think because it contained pictures as well as sounds). Ho hum , , , But something else with sounds alone did play when I clicked on it.
Already some pointers there then.
And finally for now I found a "podcast" with classical music, but no indication of what is being played. It is possible to "go to the web-site" of course; but perhaps there is a way to embed this information in the stream and scroll it as it is played in the itune player? I would be more comfortable using the VLC player for this sort of thing - perhaps one can . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 8:36:40 GMT -5
I don't personally use iTunes, Sydney, although I recognise its popularity. Wikipedia - iTunesiTune podcasts could be a good way to broadcast the Third's programmes, although who would listen?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 2:30:24 GMT -5
I have to-day joined the "Philosophy Forum" - but wonder whether it will last? forums.philosophyforums.com/It is worth mentioning for the sake of this very good example of a series of "podcasts." Exactly the sort of thing I would like to do for a Second Third: www.philosophybites.libsyn.com/Any ideas? In fact I should ask the people at the Art-Music forum what they think, since it is in the main their musical contributions I would like to use . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 8:50:19 GMT -5
When I was at school, Sydney, philosophy was never thought. Perhaps it can still be discussed, and the Art-Music forum might be a better place to do so! Of course, Wittgenstein famously suggested that philosophy was really just a problem of language anyway. I suspect that there is more to it than just that!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 18:56:40 GMT -5
Of course when I say "exactly the sort of thing" it is to the form of that exemplary podcasting page that I am referring, not the contents of the podcasts, which indeed will have nothing to do with philosophy; they will contain little-known music of little-known composers, hours and hours and hours of it.
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