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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 18:28:42 GMT -5
Are the English correct in their conviction that reticence is an essential element of manliness?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 1:55:17 GMT -5
Reticence is inessential, Sydney, even for English women. BBC Four (television) - The Lady of the Mercians Michael Wood recovers the story of Alfred's daughter Aethelflaed, the ruler of Mercia, from a copy of a lost chronicle written in Mercia in her lifetime which in the film we hear read in Old English. One of the great forgotten figures in British history, Aethelflaed led armies, built fortresses, campaigned against the Vikings and was a brilliant diplomat. Her fame spread across the British Isles, beloved by her warriors and her people, she was known simply as 'the Lady of the Mercians'. Without her, concludes Michael Wood, 'England might never have happened'. The British Library - Medieval manuscripts blog - Michael Wood and King Alfred England happened, Sydney! Today, of course, the question is whether England will have to redefine its identity without Scotland in 2016? Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 2:18:45 GMT -5
He who hesitates is lost but look before you leap ?
"To teach how to live without certainty and yet without being paralysed by hesitation is perhaps the chief thing that philosophy, in our age, can do for those who study it."
-Bertrand Russell
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 2:23:44 GMT -5
"Few understand that procrastination is our natural defense, letting things take care of themselves and exercise their antifragility; it results from some ecological or naturalistic wisdom, and is not always bad -- at an existential level, it is my body rebelling against its entrapment. It is my soul fighting the Procrustean bed of modernity.”
¯ Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder
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Post by ahinton on Aug 14, 2013 4:52:55 GMT -5
Are the English correct in their conviction that reticence is an essential element of manliness? The question inevitably begs others that require answering first. To begin with, do "the English" (whoever they may be) as a whole possess such a conviction in the first place? Next, where is to be found the evidence in support of such an assertion? Again, why would all English people (for examle, as distinct from other British people) consider reticence - or indeed anything else, for that matter - as an essential element of "manliness" (whatever that may be)? - i.e., would English women be expected to share the same conviction? And lastly, if reticence were indeed to be "an essential element of manliness", is it only that? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 5:33:56 GMT -5
Good point, the work of charles darwin would seem to indicate variation in nature does not stop at national borders Having said that, I hear the upper classes never really trust you until they have found someone they know who knew you at school..... which is one form of 'due diligence' If i remember rightly, James Bond was fond of a recon, something you learn reading the books, not watching the films. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReconnaissanceIs James Bond manly ? |
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Post by ahinton on Aug 14, 2013 5:44:13 GMT -5
Good point, the work of charles darwin would seem to indicate variation in nature does not stop at national borders Yes, but the wider point is surely whether anyone, not just English people, considers that reticence is or indeed should be the province of "manliness" (whatever that may be). Furthermore, what specific kinds of "reticence" and about what are we discussing here? - that's yet another question that surely needs to be answered before the initial question stands any chance of being meaningfully addressed; in fact, that initial question raises so many other questions that it seems gravely - if unwittingly - to undermine its own presumed premise! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 5:53:49 GMT -5
I agree that rules and guidelines are always 'general' and not 'specific', case studies are a good way to prove a point, but again, that situation is not always the same as the one presented. Expierence is usually the best teacher, but to know a situation well, one must invest time in attempting to repeat the situation again and again with different variations to see what seems to work best ? pre mission briefing mission debrief lessons learned ? History, from books, seems a good teacher but things do change a lot, with technology, so one is never really sure. I suppose it comes down to an individuals own experience forming their opinion on the situation and making what they believe to be the right decision at that time and then, if they can, refining that decision making process ? "because I went through a lot of crap I learnt to do a lot of research and planning" - peter jones, Tycoon www.amazon.co.uk/Tycoon-Peter-Jones/dp/0340952350"ok, let us assume the radios will work but come up with a back up plan in case they do not, and run through that scenario" - never uttered before operation market garden mmmnm, thinking on 'gut instinct' i would say that reticence is a good quality, one of leadership, but one that the cavalry should not adopt or they shall refuse to charge the enemy cannons when the time comes Case Study Man of action and adventure found to lack certain qualities.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulph_Fiennes#Officer |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 6:47:13 GMT -5
Out of interest, ahinton, speaking as a Scot, do you personally value reticence?
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Post by ahinton on Aug 16, 2013 7:42:34 GMT -5
Out of interest, ahinton, speaking as a Scot, do you personally value reticence? It depends upon the circumstances; there are times when it might be appropriate and others when it's unnecessary. I do not believe that my view here has anything to do with my being a Scot, either. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 8:04:28 GMT -5
I can only offer you, ahinton, and everyone reading 'The Third' and other social media, my full and unreserved apologies, once again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 2:24:06 GMT -5
multicultarilsm destroys national identity, this may not be a bad thing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 8:06:12 GMT -5
Curiously, I was discussing this very topic with a black girl at the Proms earlier in the 2013 Season, Jason. I mentioned Margaret Hodge's criticism of the Proms in 2008, and the lack of non-white faces in the audience.  The Daily Telegraph - Margaret Hodge criticised for Proms attackI should add, for clarification, that over many years, I have taken a multi-racial youth group promming, so I am personally responsible for quite a lot of the non-white faces you might see there. Moreover, I always make a point of asking non-blonde bombshells out for a date at the Proms, when appropriate. Anyway, my black friend replied that Margaret Hodge was talking rubbish. You don't need to try and get blacks into the Proms. So multiculturalism and national identity can, perhaps, co-exist. I can be British and multi-cultural, Jason, simultaneously! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 8:41:57 GMT -5
Where is the jazz prom, jazz features on radio 3 !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 9:13:17 GMT -5
Good afternoon, Jason. If I may address your final question directly: "Where is the jazz prom, jazz features on radio 3 !" ' To promenade' is to go on a leisurely walk, Jason, although the verb ' to prom' means something entirely different. It would be great to take advantage of the Proms to do something completely different this summer. Let's all try and meet up for Prom 62 promptly at 21:15 (BST) on the evening of Wednesday 28 August 2013 for a celebration of Charlie Parker. Royal Albert Hall - PROM 62: A CELEBRATION OF CHARLIE PARKERTwenty-six years after his first Proms appearance, with his big band Loose Tubes, jazz pianist and composer Django Bates returns with his own trio in a new partnership with the Grammy-nominated Norrbotten Big Band from northern Sweden. Together they present a celebration of Charlie ‘Bird’ Parker – bebop pioneer and beloved hero of Bates – adding their own spin on Parker classics such as ‘Confirmation’ ‘Scrapple from the Apple’ and ‘Donna Lee’, interleaved with Bates’s own compositions, fast becoming part of the jazz canon.  BBC Proms - Prom 62: A Celebration of Charlie ParkerDue to unprecedented demand from around the world, everyone reading ' The Third', the BBC Radio 3 website, the Radio 3 Blog, the Radio 3 Forum and Friends of Radio 3 (FoR3) Blog, R3OK, ' Serious Topics' and ' The Financial Times' (FT), too, is cordially invited to the World Routes Prom (#62). For those who can attend, we shall meet at 9:15pm at the Berry Bros. & Rudd No.3 Bar and toast Django!  Berrys’ No.3 Bar at The Royal Albert HallJoin us! The Third - Calendar - Prom 62: a celebration of Charlie Parker (21:15), Wednesday 28 August 2013As for BBC Radio 3, here is the Jazz webpage: BBC Radio 3 - Music: Jazz & Blues |
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