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Sept 6, 2017 6:34:41 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 6:34:41 GMT -5
How is the United Kingdom (UK) going to leave the European Union (EU)?
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Sept 6, 2017 6:44:07 GMT -5
Post by ahinton on Sept 6, 2017 6:44:07 GMT -5
How is the United Kingdom (UK) going to leave the European Union (EU)? Hopefully it won't but, if it does, it will do so in ways that will damage EU's stability and damage UK's own economy and credibility far more.
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Sept 9, 2017 21:53:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 21:53:33 GMT -5
Good morning to everyone reading ' The Third'. I trust that all is well with all of you today. ' The Sunday Times' leads with some editorial comment on Mr Blair’s deathbed repentance on migrationWriting in today's ' Sunday Times', Tim Shipman, its political Editor, reports that Tony Blair today demands tough new immigration rules, arguing that the open borders he presided over as prime minister are no longer appropriate. Blair has put his name to a report calling on the government to force European Union migrants coming to Britain to register on arrival so they can be counted in and out of the UK. Those who failed to register would be banned from renting a home, opening a bank account or claiming benefits. In an explosive intervention that will electrify the Brexit debate, the former prime minister argues that by bringing in proper immigration controls it would be possible to take back control of Britain’s borders without leaving the EU. The report will make uncomfortable reading for Theresa May, as the former PM argues that we can clamp down and stay in the EU. This is a desperate argument. Even if it is true, it is too little, too late! We have already chosen to leave the European Union. An ever closer union of the peoples of Europe is over, Red Hot Pawn. Meanwhile, ' The Sunday Telegraph' reports on a dereliction of duty. The most powerful Atlantic storm in a decade has caused widespread destruction across the Caribbean and left at least 19 people dead. Irma, a category five hurricane, has been packing winds of up to 295km/h (185mph).
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Sept 10, 2017 3:38:14 GMT -5
Post by Uncle Henry on Sept 10, 2017 3:38:14 GMT -5
Good morning to everyone reading ' The Third' - we can clamp down and stay in the EU. You people appear to me to be labouring under a terrible misapprehension. I have resided in four continental lands and was displeased in some way in each. In the Netherlands I, having already left them, drove back there only to assist Kenneth with the transfer of his things to Great Britain. The Dutch police impounded my motor and would release it only upon payment of a very large sum of MONEY. As well as that, the inhabitants are very rude drivers, and very rude in general. In Zuerich the landlord kept coming into my bedroom at six in the morning; he was not sure that I was not somebody else. The streets, as well, are full of old ladies anxious to tell one the correct and incorrect ways to park. I found that the best way to get rid of them was to tell them that I was a policeman. In the Bundesrepublik (I stayed in four cities) one simply had an uncomfortable feeling - why not indeed? In Bremen the landlady's three-year-old daughter kept approaching me and saying "Ausweis zeigen!" (show us your passport). Brussels was not too bad (except for the terrifying "priority to the right"); I used to enjoy conversing with all the Arabs. But after a year or two the "Census Policeman" - he too - began knocking on my door at six in the morning. So in my experience none of these continental places is comfortable or satisfactory. It is crazy of you fellows not to want to leave them in the long run! The former British colonies are all right, particularly the Asian ones.
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Sept 10, 2017 3:57:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 3:57:14 GMT -5
India is a bit chaotic, Uncle Henry, is it not?
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Sept 10, 2017 6:17:36 GMT -5
Post by ahinton on Sept 10, 2017 6:17:36 GMT -5
Good morning to everyone reading ' The Third' - we can clamp down and stay in the EU. You people appear to me to be labouring under a terrible misapprehension. I have resided in four continental lands and was displeased in some way in each. In the Netherlands I, having already left them, drove back there only to assist Kenneth with the transfer of his things to Great Britain. The Dutch police impounded my motor and would release it only upon payment of a very large sum of MONEY. As well as that, the inhabitants are very rude drivers, and very rude in general. In Zuerich the landlord kept coming into my bedroom at six in the morning; he was not sure that I was not somebody else. The streets, as well, are full of old ladies anxious to tell one the correct and incorrect ways to park. I found that the best way to get rid of them was to tell them that I was a policeman. In the Bundesrepublik (I stayed in four cities) one simply had an uncomfortable feeling - why not indeed? In Bremen the landlady's three-year-old daughter kept approaching me and saying "Ausweis zeigen!" (show us your passport). Brussels was not too bad (except for the terrifying "priority to the right"); I used to enjoy conversing with all the Arabs. But after a year or two the "Census Policeman" - he too - began knocking on my door at six in the morning. So in my experience none of these continental places is comfortable or satisfactory. It is crazy of you fellows not to want to leave them in the long run! Sorry as I am to hear of your experiences, none of which I have had personally, UK won't be "leaving Europe" even if Brexit in some botched form actually occurs (which is in any case in some doubt); it is geographically and culturally part of Europe and has been linked to the European mainland by a road/rail tunnel for years. UK will also continue to do business with the rest of Europe and it with UK, just as there will continue to be free movement of people between the European mainland and UK, even if a large proportion of that might eventually be vacation trips.
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Sept 10, 2017 6:19:10 GMT -5
Post by ahinton on Sept 10, 2017 6:19:10 GMT -5
How is the United Kingdom (UK) going to leave the European Union (EU)? I have no idea; you could as easily (and perhaps even more approppriately) have asked that questiopn without its first word.
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Sept 10, 2017 9:39:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 9:39:25 GMT -5
Why is the United Kingdom (UK) going to leave the European Union (EU) then, ahinton?
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Sept 10, 2017 12:20:07 GMT -5
Post by ahinton on Sept 10, 2017 12:20:07 GMT -5
Why is the United Kingdom (UK) going to leave the European Union (EU) then, ahinton? As I've already indicated, I hope very much that it doesn't and have no idea why it would or would want to; so far, it's making such a mess of attempting to do so that the outcome of procedures cannot reasponably be guessed, although UK is fast turning itself into the laughing stock of Europe over it.
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Sept 10, 2017 12:31:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 12:31:50 GMT -5
If I may address your point directly, ahinton: Why is the United Kingdom (UK) going to leave the European Union (EU) then, ahinton? As I've already indicated, I hope very much that it doesn't and have no idea why it would or would want to; so far, it's making such a mess of attempting to do so that the outcome of procedures cannot reasponably be guessed, although UK is fast turning itself into the laughing stock of Europe over it. Well, we are leaving the European Union because we voted to do so in a referendum in 2016. In 2017, Theresa May officially triggered Article 50, which under the Lisbon Treaty (2000) is the mechanism by which member states leave the European Union. Of course, no one has ever triggered Article 50 (Lisbon Treaty) before, so there is no precedent for the present impasse in negotiations between Michel Barnier (EU) and David Davis (UK).
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Sept 10, 2017 13:05:36 GMT -5
Post by ahinton on Sept 10, 2017 13:05:36 GMT -5
If I may address your point directly, ahinton: As I've already indicated, I hope very much that it doesn't and have no idea why it would or would want to; so far, it's making such a mess of attempting to do so that the outcome of procedures cannot reasponably be guessed, although UK is fast turning itself into the laughing stock of Europe over it. Well, we are leaving the European Union because we voted to do so in a referendum in 2016. In 2017, Theresa May officially triggered Article 50, which under the Lisbon Treaty (2000) is the mechanism by which member states leave the European Union. Of course, no one has ever triggered Article 50 (Lisbon Treaty) before, so there is no precedent for the present impasse in negotiations between Michel Barnier (EU) and David Davis (UK). There remain questions over the legality of triggering Article 50 given especially that ex-pats and 16/17 year olds were not permitted to vote in the referendum; should that reach a judgement that the whole thing has been unlawful, it will throw a very heavy spanner into the works. The subject need never have been raised in the first place and only one of UK's political parties did so in its 2015 General Election manifesto. Having done this, subjecting it to plebiscite rather than addressing it in both houses of Parliament was a grave error of judgement, The campaign itslef was atrocious and full of lies and deceits. Scotland voted to Remain. The voting figures for Remain and Leave were far too close to one another. Some who voted to leaver now regret their decision. The "negotiations" have been delayed again and again and are "progressing" in the clumsiest manner imaginable; there is therefore no certainty whether or not UK will leave EU or, if it does so, whether that will be the result of a deal agreed between the two or the absence of one due to the ultimate failure of "negotiations". One of the most absurd myths of the Leave supporters' argument is "taking back control" of UK's borders. The largest country in western Europe, Germany, has a border of some 3,700 km. UK's border is reckoned to be almost four times that and is all coastal; moreover, UK's population is around 17m less than that of Germany. Credibility, anyone? How does anyone "take back control" of something of which it could never reasonably claim to have had such control in the first place? If the outcome of leaving EU looks set to be gravely adverse for UK and its economy, I suspect that the UK population will vote with its feet whether or not it's asked to do so - and who could blame it?
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Sept 10, 2017 13:49:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 13:49:31 GMT -5
If I may address only your final question directly, ahinton: If I may address your point directly, ahinton: Well, we are leaving the European Union because we voted to do so in a referendum in 2016. In 2017, Theresa May officially triggered Article 50, which under the Lisbon Treaty (2000) is the mechanism by which member states leave the European Union. Of course, no one has ever triggered Article 50 (Lisbon Treaty) before, so there is no precedent for the present impasse in negotiations between Michel Barnier (EU) and David Davis (UK). There remain questions over the legality of triggering Article 50 given especially that ex-pats and 16/17 year olds were not permitted to vote in the referendum; should that reach a judgement that the whole thing has been unlawful, it will throw a very heavy spanner into the works. The subject need never have been raised in the first place and only one of UK's political parties did so in its 2015 General Election manifesto. Having done this, subjecting it to plebiscite rather than addressing it in both houses of Parliament was a grave error of judgement, The campaign itslef was atrocious and full of lies and deceits. Scotland voted to Remain. The voting figures for Remain and Leave were far too close to one another. Some who voted to leaver now regret their decision. The "negotiations" have been delayed again and again and are "progressing" in the clumsiest manner imaginable; there is therefore no certainty whether or not UK will leave EU or, if it does so, whether that will be the result of a deal agreed between the two or the absence of one due to the ultimate failure of "negotiations". One of the most absurd myths of the Leave supporters' argument is "taking back control" of UK's borders. The largest country in western Europe, Germany, has a border of some 3,700 km. UK's border is reckoned to be almost four times that and is all coastal; moreover, UK's population is around 17m less than that of Germany. Credibility, anyone? How does anyone "take back control" of something of which it could never reasonably claim to have had such control in the first place? If the outcome of leaving EU looks set to be gravely adverse for UK and its economy, I suspect that the UK population will vote with its feet whether or not it's asked to do so - and who could blame it? I would blame the population of the United Kingdom for its own stupidity, ahinton.
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Sept 16, 2017 19:57:54 GMT -5
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Sept 17, 2017 13:37:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 13:37:37 GMT -5
Good evening to everyone reading ' The Third'. I trust that all is well with all of you tonight. ' The Financial Times' leads tomorrow with some editorial comment that Boris Johnson’s naked power play on Brexit. The salmon pink newspaper argues that the UK foreign secretary is undermining prime minister Theresa May. Does this represent a leadership challenge, Uncle Henry, prior to the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester? ' The Guardian' also leads tomorrow with some editorial comment that Boris Johnson's pitch is a ludicrous fantasy. ' The Guardian' argues that the foreign secretary’s job application for prime minister promises an impossibly good deal from Brexit. How can Boris possibly deliver?
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Sept 18, 2017 0:08:10 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 0:08:10 GMT -5
Writing in today's ' Times', its Political Editor, Francis Elliott, reports that Boris Johnson is cut adrift after Brexit ploy ends with £350m statistics rebuke. ' The Financial Times' also reports this morning that the number-crunchers take Boris Johnson to task over his revived £350m pledge to the National Health Service (NHS). Meanwhile, the European Commission (EC) is continuing to demand that the United Kingdom (UK) pay almost £100 billion in order to leave the European Union (EU) at all! Negotiations in Brussels have stalled, and it seems that Theresa May will be unable to deliver any negotiated Brexit at all! If we do leave the EU in 2019, our departure will not just be hard; it will be more like jumping off the White Cliffs of Dover into the English Channel. We will be all at sea, Uncle Henry! Writing in today's ' Daily Telegraph', kleines c's great adversary's son, Jacob Rees-Mogg, argues that Boris Johnson has revived the romantic vision of Brexit we so desperately need. What is to be done, Alistair?
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