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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 13:35:26 GMT -5
Good evening to you all! I trust that all is well with all of you today. Sydney Grew asks us to use this particular board to discuss nations and their abolition. The London ' Times' leads this week with some editorial comment on being still better together. The leading article concludes that Ms Sturgeon should not proceed but if she does the Scottish people must again respond, with patriotic pride: no thanks. ' The Times' thunders that the Scottish people have already given their verdict on independence. Plans for a second referendum are a breach of good faith. Sydney's objective seems to be the abolition of all nations, so the creation of a new independent nation, for example, Scotland, seems curiously at odds with his utopian masterplan. In order to abolish nations, the best plan would probably be to unite all nations, but then how would we be governed?
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Post by ahinton on Feb 27, 2017 15:20:23 GMT -5
Good evening to you all! I trust that all is well with all of you today. Sydney Grew asks us to use this particular board to discuss nations and their abolition. The London ' Times' leads this week with some editorial comment on being still better together. The leading article concludes that Ms Sturgeon should not proceed but if she does the Scottish people must again respond, with patriotic pride: no thanks. ' The Times' thunders that the Scottish people have already given their verdict on independence. Plans for a second referendum are a breach of good faith. Sydney's objective seems to be the abolition of all nations, so the creation of a new independent nation, for example, Scotland, seems curiously at odds with his utopian masterplan. In order to abolish nations, the best plan would probably be to unite all nations, but then how would we be governed? Indeed - Sydney's "ideas" seem to have no foundation in practicality - but let's not dwell upon that. The point here is that people's citizenship of EU is proposedly being withdrawn from them against the will of some of them by Parliamentary decree from Westmonster; that simply won't do. I believe that Sturgeon's concerns for the future of my country are based and predicated upon what Westmonster might decide to impose upon it and, in that sense, I fully sympathise with her. That said, if EU collapses in the meantime, Westmonster will have its countenance covered in an incalculable quantity of egg should EU implode in the meantime and accordingly self-destruct after UK will have spent fortunes in the process of trying to quite EU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 10:49:38 GMT -5
Nicola Sturgeon wrote a reply to the leading article in today's ' Times', making some of the same points as you do, ahinton. The Times - Intransigent May is nudging us to a second referendumNicola Sturgeon concludes that if an independence referendum does arise, it will not be down to bad faith on behalf of the Scottish government, but to sheer intransigence on the part of the UK government. It is not too late for the UK government to change course, but time is running out. It will be interesting to see whether Scotland remains part of the United Kingdom, or even the European Union! The role of supranational organisations, such as the United Nations and the European Union, is relevant to Sydney's stated goal: the abolition of all nations. The United Nations implicitly accepts the existence of member states. So does the European Union, although the goal of an ever closer union of the peoples of Europe arguably subverts the primacy of the nation-state. The single currency has arguably been a disaster for Greece, and I suspect that the only way the Eurozone can survive is through far closer political union. Frau Merkel, for example, could be directly elected as the President of the Eurozone? Of course, Sydney also advocates the abolition of money, so such a discussion is probably irrelevant from his point of view. Do not trust the horse, Sydney! Whatever it is, I fear the Danaans, even when bringing gifts. Wikipedia - Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 10:07:28 GMT -5
Relevant to being still better together, the London ' Times' leads today with some editorial comment on Stormont Brewing. The leading article concludes that every dimension of social and political life in Northern Ireland is still divided along community lines and the constitutional settlement is as fragile as it ever has been. Yet it is worth protecting, with bold compromises if necessary. The clock is ticking. ' The Times' thunders that the elections in Northern Ireland have done little to break its political stalemate. Unless Unionists and republicans find common ground, devolution is in danger. Ireland could unite as the United Kingdom disintegrates, ahinton!
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Post by ahinton on Mar 6, 2017 11:45:44 GMT -5
Relevant to being still better together, the London ' Times' leads today with some editorial comment on Stormont Brewing. The leading article concludes that every dimension of social and political life in Northern Ireland is still divided along community lines and the constitutional settlement is as fragile as it ever has been. Yet it is worth protecting, with bold compromises if necessary. The clock is ticking. ' The Times' thunders that the elections in Northern Ireland have done little to break its political stalemate. Unless Unionists and republicans find common ground, devolution is in danger. Ireland could unite as the United Kingdom disintegrates, ahinton! I don't think that it will but it certainly could; it if did and if NI became part of the Republic, UK will begin to break up as a direct consequence of one part of it having departed and so that part will be able to remain within EU as a majority of its populace voted to do. Scotland cannot secede so easily and certainly not by such means. I doubt that there will be a second Scottish independence referendum and, even if there is, there can be no guarantee as to what might be its outcome. Everyone whom I know who resides in NI considers him/herself to be Irish.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 14:20:20 GMT -5
I would bet that Scotland will attempt to become independent by 2020, ahinton. So will Ulster! It will be messy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 19:40:50 GMT -5
In my experience the whole idea of Irish independence - the Free State and all that - is bogus anyway - a myth. At Dublin the first thing they do is consult Gatwick.
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Post by ahinton on Mar 7, 2017 3:49:21 GMT -5
In my experience the whole idea of Irish independence - the Free State and all that - is bogus anyway - a myth. At Dublin the first thing they do is consult Gatwick. I don't think that anyone's calling for "Irish independence"; the Republic is already an independent state. What's under discussion is whether NI might become part of it, thereby remaining within EU.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 11:34:03 GMT -5
I suppose that the British Empire really dismantled itself, generally in a benign and enlightened way, over the course of the twentieth century. Australia became independent from 1901, Sydney? As part of the (British) Isles, Ireland's struggle for independence has been more troubled, although independence often allows for some degree of interdependence. As the British Empire declined, the European Union (EU) enlarged considerably from the Treaty of Rome some sixty years ago, and today faces many issues, not least Brexit. The London ' Times' leads today with some editorial comment that Europe speeds up. The leading article concludes that Brexit should be about opening to the world and indeed working together with European neighbours to our mutual benefit. ' The Times' thunders that a nervous EU may allow states to develop at their own pace. One size, for example, the euro, does not fit all, ahinton?
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Post by ahinton on Mar 7, 2017 12:45:28 GMT -5
I suppose that the British Empire really dismantled itself, generally in a benign and enlightened way, over the course of the twentieth century. Australia became independent from 1901, Sydney? As part of the (British) Isles, Ireland's struggle for independence has been more troubled, although independence often allows for some degree of interdependence. As the British Empire declined, the European Union (EU) enlarged considerably from the Treaty of Rome some sixty years ago, and today faces many issues, not least Brexit. The London ' Times' leads today with some editorial comment that Europe speeds up. The leading article concludes that Brexit should be about opening to the world and indeed working together with European neighbours to our mutual benefit. ' The Times' thunders that a nervous EU may allow states to develop at their own pace. One size, for example, the euro, does not fit all, ahinton? Indeed it does not and cannot, but the prospect of rumblings in other parts of EU (France and Netherlands in particular) resulting in electoral victory for right wing extemist factioons that would variously like to bring about the demise of the euro and indeed that of EU itself is potentially as worrying (and perhaps not that differently so) as what happened in Western Europe in the 1930s; as Trump and Putin - no friends and advocates of EU themselves - look on, the rest of Europe had better look out!...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 14:06:57 GMT -5
Look out, Europa!
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