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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 0:00:53 GMT -5
Is this Mrs. May a suitable person do members consider?
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Post by ahinton on Dec 20, 2016 3:16:56 GMT -5
Is this Mrs. May a suitable person do members consider? "Suitable" to whom and for/as what? If you mean as UK's Prime Minister, I would say that, on the basis of her almost six months of dithering over the most important issue in UK history since the cessation of WWII, the answer to your question is a resounding "no" although, to be fair, she is only the Prime Minister, not a totalitarian dictator. If you mean something else, please clarify.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 6:33:36 GMT -5
"Suitable" to whom and for/as what? That was for you to ponder Mr. H, and in prompt course to let us know - as you have indeed now most effectively done. Is Mr. May anybody by the way?
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Post by ahinton on Dec 20, 2016 7:43:47 GMT -5
"Suitable" to whom and for/as what? That was for you to ponder Mr. H, and in prompt course to let us know - as you have indeed now most effectively done. Is Mr. May anybody by the way? Well, he'd have to be someone, wouldn't he?! As it happens, he's an investment banker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 9:59:32 GMT -5
If I may address your question directly, Sydney: "Is this Mrs. May a suitable person do members consider?" Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 6:35:34 GMT -5
Well, he'd [Mr. May'd] have to be someone, wouldn't he?! As it happens, he's an investment banker. kc is of course in the same bracket or game as Mr. May then. For all we know kc may even BE Mr. May. Were that so, kc would be our effective prime minister, because as is generally known in the serious world women do not really count. Example: the woman in my usual restaurant yesterday: Woman: "That will be $13.60 thank you." I: "And this little card is full now, so that gives me $5 off, and I can give you $8.60" Woman: "Oh now I'm all confused, give me $13.60 first and then I'll give you the $5 back." I: "Well I'll just give you this $10 note and you can simply give me $1.40 change." Woman: "What?"
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Post by ahinton on Dec 22, 2016 6:58:33 GMT -5
Well, he'd [Mr. May'd] have to be someone, wouldn't he?! As it happens, he's an investment banker. kc is of course in the same bracket or game as Mr. May then. For all we know kc may even BE Mr. May. I very much doubt that this is the case! Were that so, kc would be our effective prime minister Of course he wouldn't! Even Mrs. May was not elected as such in the strict sense of the term, since she has assumed the rôle only because of Mr Cameron's resignation. Mr May has not even stood as a candidate in a General Election, let alone been elected as an MP; he is a practitioner in a profession other than politics. The Prime Minister is therefore Mrs May, however effective or otherwise she might be or turn out to be as such. as is generally known in the serious world women do not really count Women "do not really count" what? Their knitting needles? The numbers of investments in their share portfolios? The numbers of personnel in the companies over which they preside? I have in any case not the faintest idea what or where this "serious world" might be located, nor would I wish to other than in order to facilitate the avoidance of visiting it but, as it is rpresumably not one in which women have assumed positions as Presidents, Prime Ministers, Chief Executives and other senior offices, unlike the one in which I live, it is clearly one that exists nowhere outside the confines of your bizarre and mercifully uncommon imagination. Example: the woman in my usual restaurant yesterday: Woman: "That will be $13.60 thank you." I: "And this little card is full now, so that gives me $5 off, and I can give you $8.60" Woman: "Oh now I'm all confused, give me $13.60 first and then I'll give you the $5 back." I: "Well I'll just give you this $10 note and you can simply give me $1.40 change." Woman: "What?" There are people of all genders as dense and denser than that in many walks of life; bear in mind, however, that "the woman in (your) usual restaurant yesterday" is neither an aspiring or actual Prime Minister nor married to a man or woman who is either of those so, as an example of incompetence in and unsuitability for high office of any kind, irrespective of gender, it is notable only for shortcomings sufficiently grave as to mark it out as an irrelevance. Perhaps you should think twice about patronising not only women but also cheap restaurants...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 10:26:45 GMT -5
If I may address all your points below directly, Sydney: Well, he'd [Mr. May'd] have to be someone, wouldn't he?! As it happens, he's an investment banker. kc is of course in the same bracket or game as Mr. May then. For all we know kc may even BE Mr. May. Were that so, kc would be our effective prime minister, because as is generally known in the serious world women do not really count. Example: the woman in my usual restaurant yesterday: Woman: "That will be $13.60 thank you." I: "And this little card is full now, so that gives me $5 off, and I can give you $8.60" Woman: "Oh now I'm all confused, give me $13.60 first and then I'll give you the $5 back." I: "Well I'll just give you this $10 note and you can simply give me $1.40 change." Woman: "What?" I should perhaps clarify that I do not personally know Philip May. Theresa is clearly suitable to be British Prime Minister because she commands the confidence of the House of Commons, Sydney. This is how British politics works! Where ahinton and I would probably agree would be that leaving the European Union will be tricky! I think that Sydney is right to point out that we have been living in a patriarchal society, although I would disagree with his assertion that in the serious world women do not really count. On the contrary, they sometimes count more than men! As for Sydney's usual restaurant, I can understand the woman's confusion! Sometimes, businesses will only give you a refund once you have paid in full! A fool and his money are soon departed? What I did note was that roughly eight pounds sterling is quite good value for a meal, even before Sydney's discount! It is roughly what I would pay for fish and chips. At Somerset House, Spring is the best restaurant, and last week, a good meal cost around £88, although they currently do a delicious three-course Christmas Express menu with seasonal produce for £15. I am no expert but the best meal in London, for example, at the The Ledbury would cost around £133, over 200 Australian dollars. Even if Theresa foots the bill this Christmas, Sydney, there is still no such thing as a free lunch?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 1:01:59 GMT -5
. . . the best meal in London, for example, at the The Ledbury would cost around £133 . . . Where does the Holland Park Belvedere sit in all that to-day? When choosing a restaurant the selection of food is not nearly as important as the choice of the staff with whom one will have to do. And yet one is so seldom offered a choice in that area! In my own case I would in such a restaurant insist upon no females, no Dutchmen, no trans-Atlantics, and in the case of Englishmen only those educated at an old public school. Oh and five feet nine inches or less.
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Post by ahinton on Dec 23, 2016 3:26:17 GMT -5
. . . the best meal in London, for example, at the The Ledbury would cost around £133 . . . Where does the Holland Park Belvedere sit in all that to-day? When choosing a restaurant the selection of food is not nearly as important as the choice of the staff with whom one will have to do. And yet one is so seldom offered a choice in that area! In my own case I would in such a restaurant insist upon no females, no Dutchmen, no trans-Atlantics, and in the case of Englishmen only those educated at an old public school. Oh and five feet nine inches or less. And you'd expect to be served rather than thrown out? Mon Dieu! Just try finding a restaurant that has no female, Dutch or English state educated staff whose height does not exceed 1.75m (I've omitted reference to "trans-Atlantics" as I've no idea what they might be), be they chefs, kitchen assistants, waiters, till people, sommeliers, administrative personnel and the rest! It would not surprise me that you'd have to eat at home (which, from the standpoint of the restaurateur, might be no bad thing)...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 10:44:11 GMT -5
If I may return to the opening post (OP): Is this Mrs. May a suitable person do members consider? Curiously, this question reaches the front page of today's [London] ' Times' with the headline Queen’s frustration with May over Brexit secrecy. The leak suggests that Theresa did not give the Queen any idea how she plans to leave the European Union. The story also attracts editorial comment with some Royal Dissent: a glimpse of disappointment over Theresa May’s unwillingness to discuss her vision of Brexit gives rise to the notion that she may not have one. Most of Britain’s last 12 prime ministers found that one of the advantages of serving in a constitutional monarchy under Queen Elizabeth II was that when they could confide in no one else, they could confide in her. Theresa May has this opportunity in her weekly audiences at Buckingham Palace. In addition, on a visit to Balmoral two months after taking office, she had a chance to unburden herself at greater leisure about her plans for making a success of Brexit. Unfortunately she does not appear to have taken it. In a rare glimpse of royal disquiet, a source has told ' The Times' that the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were “disappointed” not to learn more from the prime minister. ' The Times' concludes that to say that Brexit means Brexit or that she seeks one that is red, white and blue is not enough. Beyond a certain point such platitudes insult voters' intelligence. That point is fast approaching. So despite my defence of Theresa May, Sydney, a and The Times may all be right. Mrs May may not be a suitable Prime Minister. Of course, it is possible that the European Union is disintegrating anyway, in which case, the best plan might be to let it do so without triggering Article 50. But we do not know! As for the Holland Park Belvedere, I often go there, but to be honest, the food and service are only average. At £68 for a good meal, there are better alternatives! Harden's - BelvedereAs to your final points below, Sydney: Well, unless the staff really wind me up, the food is key! Females, Dutchmen, trans-Atlantics and English new school giants are all fine by me! Anyway, here is a vote of the 50 best restaurants in the world: 1. Osteria Francescana (Modena, Italy) 2. El Celler de Can Roca (Girona, Spain) 3. Eleven Madison Park (New York City) 4. Central (Lima) 5. Noma (Copenhagen) 6. Mirazur (Menton, France) 7. Mugaritz (San Sebastian, Spain) 8. Narisawa (Tokyo, Japan) 9. Steirereck (Vienna) 10. Asador Etxebarri (Biscay, Spain) 11. D.O.M. (Sao Paulo, Brazil) 12. Quintonil (Mexico City) 13. Maido (Lima) -- Highest riser 14. Ledbury (London) 15. Alinea (Chicago) 16. Azurmendi (Near Bilbao, Spain) 17. Piazza Duomo (Alba, Italy) 18. White Rabbit (Moscow) 19. Arpege (Paris) 20. Amber (Hong Kong) 21. Arzak (San Sebastian, Spain) 22. The Test Kitchen (Cape Town, South Africa) 23. Gaggan (Bangkok) 24. Le Bernardin (New York City) 25. Pujol (Mexico City) 26. Clove Club (London) -- Highest new entry 27. Saison (San Francisco) 28. Geranium (Copenhagen, Denmark) 29. Tickets (Barcelona) 30. Astrid y Gaston (Lima) 31. Nihonryori RyuGin (Tokyo) 32. Restaurant Andre (Singapore) 33. Attica (Melbourne, Australia) 34. Restaurant Tim Raue (Berlin, Germany) 35. Vendome (Bergisch Gladbach, Germany) 36. Borago (Santiago) 37. Nahm (Bangkok) 38. De Librije (Zwolle, Netherlands) 39. Le Calandre (Padua, Italy) 40. Relae (Copenhagen) 41. Faviken (Jarpen, Sweden) 42. Ultraviolet (Shanghai, China) 43. Biko (Mexico City) 44. Estela (New York) 45. Dinner by Heston Blumenthal (London) 46. Combal.Zero (Rivoli, Italy) 47. Schloss Schauenstein (Furstenau, Switzerland) 48. Blue Hill at Stone Barns (New York) 49. Quique Dacosta (Denia, Spain) 50. Septime (Paris) CNN - The World's 50 Best Restaurants 2016 -- the list of winnersI doubt that any of them would meet Sydney's criteria!
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Post by ahinton on Dec 23, 2016 12:46:14 GMT -5
If I may return to the opening post (OP): Is this Mrs. May a suitable person do members consider? Curiously, this question reaches the front page of today's [London] ' Times' with the headline Queen’s frustration with May over Brexit secrecy. The leak suggests that Theresa did not give the Queen any idea how she plans to leave the European Union. The story also attracts editorial comment with some Royal Dissent: a glimpse of disappointment over Theresa May’s unwillingness to discuss her vision of Brexit gives rise to the notion that she may not have one. Most of Britain’s last 12 prime ministers found that one of the advantages of serving in a constitutional monarchy under Queen Elizabeth II was that when they could confide in no one else, they could confide in her. Theresa May has this opportunity in her weekly audiences at Buckingham Palace. In addition, on a visit to Balmoral two months after taking office, she had a chance to unburden herself at greater leisure about her plans for making a success of Brexit. Unfortunately she does not appear to have taken it. In a rare glimpse of royal disquiet, a source has told ' The Times' that the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were “disappointed” not to learn more from the prime minister. ' The Times' concludes that to say that Brexit means Brexit or that she seeks one that is red, white and blue is not enough. Beyond a certain point such platitudes insult voters' intelligence. That point is fast approaching. So despite my defence of Theresa May, Sydney, a and The Times may all be right. Mrs May may not be a suitable Prime Minister. Of course, it is possible that the European Union is disintegrating anyway, in which case, the best plan might be to let it do so without triggering Article 50. But we do not know! I have no doubt that Mrs May and her ministers have little idea how or when to try to proceed with Brexit and, in any case, Brexit procedures will be down to 28 EU member states of which the purportedly exiting one, UK, is but one, so UK is in no position to call the shots so should cease and desist from pretending that it can. I can understand the Queen's "disappointment", since Brexit would impact not only more fundamentally on UK than anything since the end of WWII but also upon her and the monarchy. The problem is that Mrs May has inherited this poisoned chalice from her predecessor whose Tory party (a) called for the referendum in its manifesto for 2015's General Election on entirely spurious grounds (and the Tories were the only UK political party to do so on that occasion),(b) deceived the UK electorate by omitting to mention that its result would not be legally binding and that it had laid no plans for a Brexit in any case, (c) spearheaded an embarrassingly shoddy omnishambles of a campaign in which it spent almost £10m of UK taxpayers' finds on supporting one side in a referendum on whose subject it should have remained unbiased and (d) left a string of court cases over it and a raft of acrimony, confusion and uncertainty. The Queen is supposedly "above politics" but no one is going to persuade me that she's not politically savvy or that she cares insufficiently about the consequences for the UK populace of the outcome of the referendum and any subsequent Brexit negotiations. Yes, EU might in any case collapse (although I think that this is merely possible rather than likely) if next year's elections in certain of its major members states steer them towards the right and divisive nationalism; if by that time UK will have spent squillions on Brexit only to find that there's no longer and EU from which to withdraw. it will find itself looking very much sillier than even it does now. As for the Holland Park Belvedere, I often go there, but to be honest, the food and service are only average. At £68 for a good meal, there are better alternatives! Harden's - BelvedereAs to your final points below, Sydney: Well, unless the staff really wind me up, the food is key! Females, Dutchmen, trans-Atlantics and English new school giants are all fine by me! Anyway, here is a vote of the 50 best restaurants in the world: 1. Osteria Francescana (Modena, Italy) 2. El Celler de Can Roca (Girona, Spain) 3. Eleven Madison Park (New York City) 4. Central (Lima) 5. Noma (Copenhagen) 6. Mirazur (Menton, France) 7. Mugaritz (San Sebastian, Spain) 8. Narisawa (Tokyo, Japan) 9. Steirereck (Vienna) 10. Asador Etxebarri (Biscay, Spain) 11. D.O.M. (Sao Paulo, Brazil) 12. Quintonil (Mexico City) 13. Maido (Lima) -- Highest riser 14. Ledbury (London) 15. Alinea (Chicago) 16. Azurmendi (Near Bilbao, Spain) 17. Piazza Duomo (Alba, Italy) 18. White Rabbit (Moscow) 19. Arpege (Paris) 20. Amber (Hong Kong) 21. Arzak (San Sebastian, Spain) 22. The Test Kitchen (Cape Town, South Africa) 23. Gaggan (Bangkok) 24. Le Bernardin (New York City) 25. Pujol (Mexico City) 26. Clove Club (London) -- Highest new entry 27. Saison (San Francisco) 28. Geranium (Copenhagen, Denmark) 29. Tickets (Barcelona) 30. Astrid y Gaston (Lima) 31. Nihonryori RyuGin (Tokyo) 32. Restaurant Andre (Singapore) 33. Attica (Melbourne, Australia) 34. Restaurant Tim Raue (Berlin, Germany) 35. Vendome (Bergisch Gladbach, Germany) 36. Borago (Santiago) 37. Nahm (Bangkok) 38. De Librije (Zwolle, Netherlands) 39. Le Calandre (Padua, Italy) 40. Relae (Copenhagen) 41. Faviken (Jarpen, Sweden) 42. Ultraviolet (Shanghai, China) 43. Biko (Mexico City) 44. Estela (New York) 45. Dinner by Heston Blumenthal (London) 46. Combal.Zero (Rivoli, Italy) 47. Schloss Schauenstein (Furstenau, Switzerland) 48. Blue Hill at Stone Barns (New York) 49. Quique Dacosta (Denia, Spain) 50. Septime (Paris) CNN - The World's 50 Best Restaurants 2016 -- the list of winnersI doubt that any of them would meet Sydney's criteria! I share your doubts, not least those of his ability to source and enjoy an excellent meal and some fine wine for AUD13.60 and having an AUD5.00 voucher to credit against that cost! I note that only one restaurant in the list that you quote is located in Australia and even that one is, I think, a substantial distance from where Sydney resides, so the cost of his sampling its delights for dinner would be added to by the air fare and associated travel costs...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:17:45 GMT -5
I did not spot Attica on my list, but my suspicion would be that Sydney is far more familiar with Melbourne than his name suggests. The restaurant is owned and run by Ben Shewry, born and raised in rural North Taranaki on the rugged west coast of the North Island, New Zealand. Ben believes that food can have a deeper meaning than just another item to consume; it can be evocative, emotional and thought provoking, appealing to all of the senses. Of course the key to all this is that it tastes of the purity of its ingredients and is something delicious to eat. For inspiration, he often draws from his childhood; from the volcano, rivers, ocean, and native bush that make up Taranaki, as well as his current Australian surroundings. Attica - PeopleOut of interest, ahinton, why silly?
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Post by ahinton on Dec 23, 2016 18:03:19 GMT -5
Out of interest, ahinton, why silly? Arrogant short-sightedness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 20:15:01 GMT -5
Anyway, here is a vote of the 50 best restaurants in the world . . . Which of those preposterous places kc affords no music - or indeed sound - of any kind, what? As is so often the case the term "vote" is intentionally misleading. The imposition of tastes is a great business. I opened my old School magazine this morning to find they have appointed a "captain of jazz".
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