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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 13:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 14:16:20 GMT -5
The FT seems to be at one with the Reithian BBC, Neil! FT - Monteverdi Trilogy, Komische Oper BerlinAs for Gerard, or Sydney, we would all agree that taste is ultimately subjective, so even if you do not share Gerard's taste, so what?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 14:48:52 GMT -5
Thank you for the reply, kleines... but this discussion has been so adroitly derailed by Gerard's "personal observations" that there seems little point in continuing. I bow out at this point.
A shame - but what can we do?
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Post by ahinton on Jan 1, 2017 15:32:35 GMT -5
Thank you for the reply, kleines... but this discussion has been so adroitly derailed by Gerard's "personal observations" that there seems little point in continuing. I bow out at this point. A shame - but what can we do? It's not at all been "derailed" unless anyone believes that it has been; what "gerard" "contributed" to it was all so incredibly fatuous that it need not be considered as any kind of contribution at all, so let's continue from where the discussion was before "gerard"'s significant failure to contribute thereto.
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Post by Gerard on Jan 1, 2017 20:27:14 GMT -5
3) there no longer exist such entities as individual nations. There never have been, actually; it has always all been imaginary. Upon which planet do you live? Now you are being such a silly Billy Mr. H! As you very well know, your favourite footle-ball "team" is not a necessary aspect of life. It is a mere invention, all in the mind, a figment. Well your "nations" are just like that, there is no pressure or need for them to exist at all! Your school-masters with their maps on the wall taught you very much too much. Will Charles - or George the Seventh as he will be known - be restoring any imperialities we wonder? There are many illegitimate places begging for it in Asia, Africa and the cross-roads are there not?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 22:13:26 GMT -5
I, too, tend to agree that the BBC will eventually be forced to become a commercial broadcaster, and it will be impossible to make a commercial case for Radio 3. Classic FM wins, hands down! Still, the BBC will have had a good run, even perhaps, hitting a century! Congratulations to all! No kc, anything but commerce! I think the reason why the Third Programme is attracting fewer people to-day is that it is purely a sound medium. It is high time for it to be updated to sound and video. The new video aspect should be applied to all transmissions: recitals, talks, recordings and concerts current and historical - even to operas should there be any demand. We don't need to see the announcers, of course - their appearance and tastes mean nothing to the listeners. A cultured upper-class voice, briefly heard, suffices. Also we need to hear many more works of many more composers. The régime will need to appoint a minister of culture, with a large staff, to ensure that all this happens. And also we need to have these programmes on demand, with no expiry period. When that is what the public wants that is what the public should get, at any convenient time, always provided it is approved by the wise guidance of the ministry.
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Post by ahinton on Jan 2, 2017 3:41:44 GMT -5
Upon which planet do you live? Now you are being such a silly Billy Mr. H! As you very well know, your favourite footle-ball "team" is not a necessary aspect of life. It is a mere invention, all in the mind, a figment. Well your "nations" are just like that, there is no pressure or need for them to exist at all! Your school-masters with their maps on the wall taught you very much too much. Will Charles - or George the Seventh as he will be known - be restoring any imperialities we wonder? There are many illegitimate places begging for it in Asia, Africa and the cross-roads are there not? My name is not William. I referred to facts, not "necessities" or lack thereof. I don't have a favourite soccer team and am not interested in the sport. My only geography teacher was a woman. I don't even know if Charles - or for that matter anyone else - will accede to the throne when the present UK monarch (i.e. the monarch of a nation) dies (if ever she does). I don't know what you mean by "imperialities", "illegitimate places" or "the cross-roads" either. Perhaps "gerard" is only a figment of someone's imagination but does not actually exist in reality; if so, I must have imagined reading his non-existent post above... What any of this has to do with the future of BBC R3 I have less than no idea, however.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 4:49:07 GMT -5
Some points our members may, indeed should, bear in mind: 1) there have, unsurprisingly, not lived any composers of distinction in central Europe since 1945. All rattled. 2) there have, unsurprisingly, not lived any composers of distinction on the other side of the Atlantic, ever. Any one who ignorantly claims otherwise is talking through his hat. 3) there no longer exist such entities as individual nations. There never have been, actually; it has always all been imaginary. 4) opera has nothing to do with serious music; it is mainly a vehicle for women who enjoy shrieking and exposing their bosoms. Serious men run a mile therefrom. It is no kind of Art. Here is Marx's well-known and influential book about money. But as Oscar Wilde and Bernard Shaw already so convincingly pointed out, Marx's great mistake was to put the mob above the individual. Volume I:www.archive.org/stream/capitalcriticala00marxrich?ref=ol#page/n5/mode/2upVolume II:archive.org/stream/capitalcriticala02marxrich#page/n5/mode/2upIntemperate, idiotic, and RUDE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 8:00:49 GMT -5
If I may address your points below directly, Sydney: I, too, tend to agree that the BBC will eventually be forced to become a commercial broadcaster, and it will be impossible to make a commercial case for Radio 3. Classic FM wins, hands down! Still, the BBC will have had a good run, even perhaps, hitting a century! Congratulations to all! No kc, anything but commerce! I think the reason why the Third Programme is attracting fewer people to-day is that it is purely a sound medium. It is high time for it to be updated to sound and video. The new video aspect should be applied to all transmissions: recitals, talks, recordings and concerts current and historical - even to operas should there be any demand. We don't need to see the announcers, of course - their appearance and tastes mean nothing to the listeners. A cultured upper-class voice, briefly heard, suffices. Also we need to hear many more works of many more composers. The régime will need to appoint a minister of culture, with a large staff, to ensure that all this happens. And also we need to have these programmes on demand, with no expiry period. When that is what the public wants that is what the public should get, at any convenient time, always provided it is approved by the wise guidance of the ministry. But nevertheless, who pays, and what for? It seems fair to me that I should pay for what I want. You should not be paying for me, Sydney!
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Post by ahinton on Jan 2, 2017 9:06:59 GMT -5
A cultured upper-class voice, briefly heard, suffices. What do you mean by a "cultured upper-class voice"? When that is what the public wants that is what the public should get, at any convenient time, always provided it is approved by the wise guidance of the ministry. To which particular "ministry" do you refer and on what grounds do you believe that its "wise guidance" can be guaranteed?
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Post by ahinton on Jan 2, 2017 11:52:40 GMT -5
Some points our members may, indeed should, bear in mind: 1) there have, unsurprisingly, not lived any composers of distinction in central Europe since 1945. All rattled. 2) there have, unsurprisingly, not lived any composers of distinction on the other side of the Atlantic, ever. Any one who ignorantly claims otherwise is talking through his hat. 3) there no longer exist such entities as individual nations. There never have been, actually; it has always all been imaginary. 4) opera has nothing to do with serious music; it is mainly a vehicle for women who enjoy shrieking and exposing their bosoms. Serious men run a mile therefrom. It is no kind of Art. Here is Marx's well-known and influential book about money. But as Oscar Wilde and Bernard Shaw already so convincingly pointed out, Marx's great mistake was to put the mob above the individual. Volume I:www.archive.org/stream/capitalcriticala00marxrich?ref=ol#page/n5/mode/2upVolume II:archive.org/stream/capitalcriticala02marxrich#page/n5/mode/2upIntemperate, idiotic, and RUDE. At the very least! - likewise impudent, impertinent, insolent, in the worst possible taste and in callous disregard of the thread topic, the nearest to any kind of redeeming feature of which is that it is impossible for anyone possessing so much as a modicum of intelligence to take it seriously.
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Post by formerly Neil McGowan on Jan 2, 2017 12:45:06 GMT -5
As members will have noted, I have now left this community.
While the 'Administration' delete posts they disagree with... post vile misogynic twaddle about "women shrieking and exposing their bosoms"... and continue to use a series of pathetic pseudonyms... this forum has lost all credibility. No reasonable person would want their name associated with it. I certainly don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 14:03:29 GMT -5
Unanimity!
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Post by ahinton on Jan 2, 2017 17:48:56 GMT -5
As members will have noted, I have now left this community. While the 'Administration' delete posts they disagree with... post vile misogynic twaddle about "women shrieking and exposing their bosoms"... and continue to use a series of pathetic pseudonyms... this forum has lost all credibility. No reasonable person would want their name associated with it. I certainly don't. I do not use a pseudonym; everyone here knows who I am and I make no efforts to hide that identity. I assume you to mean "misogynistic" but I agree entirely that mysoginy finds its way here, discourtesy of certain members, all too often (although even just once is more than twice too often).
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Post by ahinton on Jan 2, 2017 17:49:19 GMT -5
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