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Post by Gerard on Sept 27, 2014 1:59:23 GMT -5
Anthony Powell (pronounced Poe-Ell) was born in London in 1905 and educated at Eton and Balliol College, Oxford. He married Lady Violet Pakenham in 1934 and she dropped two sons. Need more be said?
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Post by ahinton on Sept 27, 2014 2:56:07 GMT -5
Anthony Powell (pronounced Poe-Ell) was born in London in 1905 and educated at Eton and Balliol College, Oxford. He married Lady Violet Pakenham in 1934 and she dropped two sons. Need more be said? Er - yes. Firstly, why did he pronounce his name thus when most other Powells, from Enoch to Jonathan, don't? Secondly, what evidence do you have that his wife "dropped" sons, particularly given that this appears to be incompatible in principle to the "upbringing" mentioned in your thread topic?
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Post by Gerard on Sept 27, 2014 7:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by ahinton on Sept 27, 2014 10:13:11 GMT -5
. . . this appears to be incompatible in principle to the "upbringing" mentioned in your thread topic? Incompatible? How so Mr. H? Quite simply because "dropping" is by definition quite clearly suggestive of downward movement whereas "upbringing" implies movement in the opposite direction; quite easily comprehensible, I'd have thought! (I cannot answer your first question but that is how the Corporation pronounce it so it must for whatever reason be so.) So you believe, for whatever reason or none, that BBC must always be correct? Extraordinaire! Up the Powell (with that pronunciation), indeed...
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Post by Gerard on Sept 27, 2014 20:35:25 GMT -5
Incompatible? How so Mr. H? Quite simply because "dropping" is by definition quite clearly suggestive of downward movement whereas "upbringing" implies movement in the opposite direction . . . Thank you - the penny has dropped. (A penny is a small coin; its weight is 32 grains of wheat well dried. The OE. and cognate forms point back to the types *paning, *panding, *panning, a series which does not conform to any phonetic law, but suggests that the word was foreign and of unsettled form. But it was evidently of WGer., or even (unless the ON. was borrowed from OE.) of Common Germanic age. No foreign source however is known; and the suffix -ing, occurring in other names of coins, as shilling, farthing, OHG. cheisuring, etc., bespeaks at least a Teutonic formation on a radical element pand or pan(n). This has been sought in WGer. *pand, OHG. pfant, pawn, with reference to a possible use of the panding; and in WGer. panna, Ger. pfanne pan, with possible reference to shape. Of these words themselves the Germanic origin is uncertain.)
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Post by ahinton on Sept 28, 2014 0:53:40 GMT -5
Quite simply because "dropping" is by definition quite clearly suggestive of downward movement whereas "upbringing" implies movement in the opposite direction . . . Thank you - the penny has dropped. You're welcome - as long as it's only the penny that's dropped... A penny is a small coin; its weight is 32 grains of wheat well dried. That would be difficult, I imagine, on two counts; firstly, the weight and size of a penny has varied considerably over the years and, secondly, the same could surely be said for that of dried wheat grains...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 11:51:39 GMT -5
I never met Anthony Powell, Gerard. Nor did I read ' A Dance to the Music of Time', which begins with a question of upbringing. I did see some of the story on television, however, and I am familiar with the painting. Channel 4 - A Dance to the Music of TimeThe exact meaning of the composition is not known. The subject originally derived from a passage in Les Dionysiaques by Claude Boitet de Frauville, which describes how, following the complaints of Jupiter and the Seasons, Jupiter gave Bacchus and his gift of wine to alleviate human suffering. However, the dancing figures came to be more generally associated with the perpetual cycle of the human condition itself: from poverty to labour to riches and then to pleasure, which, if indulged to excess, reverts to poverty. The Wallace Collection - Nicolas Poussin (1594 - 1665) - A Dance to the Music of Time - ItalyAs for a penny, ahinton, I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
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Post by ahinton on Sept 29, 2014 12:29:12 GMT -5
As for a penny, ahinton, I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. ...to which I can only respond "you can't get much decent oil or decent wine for a penny these days"...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 3:22:45 GMT -5
. . . I did see some of the story on television, however . . . Thank you Mr. Kleines! (I presume it is Mr.?) I had forgotten about this tele-vision adaptation, or never seen it, or did not ever even know about it. I will seek it out on the inter-net at once. Interesting is it not how the "pool" part of Widmerpool puts one in mind of the North (Hartley-, Liver-, Black- and so on)? That must have been Poe-ell's intention, he having been an Eton boy and all that.
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Post by ahinton on Sept 30, 2014 6:29:04 GMT -5
Interesting is it not how the "pool" part of Widmerpool puts one in mind of the North (Hartley-, Liver-, Black- and so on)? "Hartle", actually, not "Hartley" (even though that's how it's pronounced in that wondrous but at the same time occasionally irritating language of English in which what's written conflicts with what's pronounced) - but perhaps also in Scotland with Ulla- and Buck-, in Wales with Ponty- and Welsh- or in the south-west of England with South (albeit as two separate words) and Withy-....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 1:23:25 GMT -5
Buckpool is a village on the coast of Moray, Scotland. Originally known as Nether Buckie it is now effectively a part of the town of Buckie as the nearby fishing settlements merged as they expanded. Buckpool Harbour is now disused and is filled with stones. Until 1960, Buckpool was served by a station on the Great North of Scotland line. Which all goes to show how far civilization has declined over the past century or so. Buckie (Gaelic: Bucaidh) is a burgh town on the Moray Firth coast of Scotland in Moray. Buckie was the largest town in Banffshire by some thousands of inhabitants before regionalisation in 1975 removed that political division from the map of Scotland. I believe I may have just missed Buckie when driving across from Aberdeen to walk up Ben Nevis, but the Wikipædia map is not entirely clear. To the east of Cluny Harbour lie Ianstown, Gordonsburgh and Portessie also known locally as The Sloch (historically The Rotten Slough) which reaches towards Strathlene. These communities were, to all intents and purposes, separate fishing settlements which gradually merged over the course of time. A new town was laid out above the shoreline in the 19th century and this is the rump of Buckie. The 2001 UK Census reported that from Buckie’s total population 92.11% were born in Scotland with the largest single minority being those born in England (5.58%.) In terms of declared ethnic allegiance the Scotch figure rose to 93.61%. However the figures as reported in 2001 are probably substantially out of date following the influx of many foreign workers from EU expansion countries (particularly Poland) since 2004.We are not told what proportion of the total population consists of homo-sexualists, which is a pity. Buckie is home to the Inchgower Distillery which sits a mile or so inland from the town and is best known for the Inchgower Single Malt. As a traditional fishing community Buckie has always had an active religious life. However, the casual observer would be excused for imagining that Buckie has an absolute obsession with Christianity, so numerous are the town’s churches representing almost every branch of Northern European Christian faith.
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Post by ahinton on Oct 1, 2014 2:02:15 GMT -5
Buckpool is a village on the coast of Moray, Scotland. Originally known as Nether Buckie it is now effectively a part of the town of Buckie as the nearby fishing settlements merged as they expanded. Buckpool Harbour is now disused and is filled with stones. Until 1960, Buckpool was served by a station on the Great North of Scotland line. Which all goes to show how far civilization has declined over the past century or so. Buckie (Gaelic: Bucaidh) is a burgh town on the Moray Firth coast of Scotland in Moray. Buckie was the largest town in Banffshire by some thousands of inhabitants before regionalisation in 1975 removed that political division from the map of Scotland. I believe I may have just missed Buckie when driving across from Aberdeen to walk up Ben Nevis, but the Wikipædia map is not entirely clear. To the east of Cluny Harbour lie Ianstown, Gordonsburgh and Portessie also known locally as The Sloch (historically The Rotten Slough) which reaches towards Strathlene. These communities were, to all intents and purposes, separate fishing settlements which gradually merged over the course of time. A new town was laid out above the shoreline in the 19th century and this is the rump of Buckie. The 2001 UK Census reported that from Buckie’s total population 92.11% were born in Scotland with the largest single minority being those born in England (5.58%.) In terms of declared ethnic allegiance the Scotch figure rose to 93.61%. However the figures as reported in 2001 are probably substantially out of date following the influx of many foreign workers from EU expansion countries (particularly Poland) since 2004.We are not told what proportion of the total population consists of homo-sexualists, which is a pity. Buckie is home to the Inchgower Distillery which sits a mile or so inland from the town and is best known for the Inchgower Single Malt. As a traditional fishing community Buckie has always had an active religious life. However, the casual observer would be excused for imagining that Buckie has an absolute obsession with Christianity, so numerous are the town’s churches representing almost every branch of Northern European Christian faith. Might it reasonably be presumed that you are about to embark on similar historically informative pieces about the aforementioned Ulla-, Ponty-, Welsh-, South (albeit as two separate words) and Withy-?... By the way, I notice that, on the front page of this forum, one may at present read "Last Updated: A Question of Upbringing by ahinton" I should therefore hastily point out that this is the unanswerable question par excellence, since no one has ever suffered the incomparable misfortune of having been raised by ahinton...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 14:17:56 GMT -5
Mr. is fine, Sydney, although any number of other titles could be used in its place. A question of upbringing remains an open question. There is no one way?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 23:26:21 GMT -5
Mr. is fine, Sydney, although any number of other titles could be used in its place. A question of upbringing remains an open question. There is no one way? Prove yourself kleines c! (All the members proclaim their joy at your reappearance! Where have you been by the way?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 11:55:03 GMT -5
Good evening, Sydney! If I may address your question below directly: Mr. is fine, Sydney, although any number of other titles could be used in its place. A question of upbringing remains an open question. There is no one way? Prove yourself kleines c! (All the members proclaim their joy at your reappearance! Where have you been by the way?) I sailed to Sneek! As for proof, I don't think that I can prove anything online.
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