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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 4:07:37 GMT -5
I am pathetic and revolting! You are anything but ...
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Post by ahinton on Aug 9, 2013 4:08:06 GMT -5
Had Bloom merely made his remark quietly in a pub to a friend rather than done it publicly, Mr McG would not have known about it . . . I doubt Mr. Bloom would ever feel the need to defer to Mr. McG's feelings. And actually I think his antelope-explanation shows an admirable humour: "If anybody would care to take the trouble to get out the Oxford Dictionary this morning and look it up, he will find that a bongo is a white antelope that lives in the forest, and there is no connotation of racialism about it whatsoever. Bongo land is the land of the antelope." Collapse of P.C. party. So you believe that Mr Bloom was consciously and deliberately referring to an unspecified land inhabited by such antelopes and that this is how listeners to and readers of it would be expected to have understood it, do you? Collapse of credibility.
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Post by ahinton on Aug 9, 2013 4:10:35 GMT -5
I am leaving this forum immediately. For what reason, if I might ask? And, whatever that reason may be, why are you still showing as online here some 70 minutes after posting to announce your imminent departure herefrom?
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Post by Gerard on Aug 9, 2013 5:20:36 GMT -5
So you believe that Mr Bloom was consciously and deliberately referring to an unspecified land inhabited by such antelopes and that this is how listeners to and readers of it would be expected to have understood it, do you? . . . No - why would I believe that? Isn't it obvious that he was simply having a laugh at the politically over-correct? Mocking them! Scorning them!
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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 9, 2013 5:27:10 GMT -5
For what reason, if I might ask? My postings today have been removed by kleines c. They do not break the rules, he has removed them because he disagrees with them. I find this unacceptable, and I will not participate in a forum in which censorship is carried out on a moderator's personal whim.
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Post by the Administration on Aug 9, 2013 6:00:01 GMT -5
No - 'twas I who removed two messages, because of the laws of libel (not the first time). Nothing to do with kleines c!
No whim. We have few rules, but we do encourage members to read and observe them.
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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 9, 2013 6:43:10 GMT -5
Is there a rule about posting that one intends to leave the forum?
Why, then, was my message about that deleted?
No, this is censorship by arbitrary whim and personal bias.
I will have no part of it.
I have now left this forum, and will not return.
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Post by ahinton on Aug 9, 2013 6:47:23 GMT -5
So you believe that Mr Bloom was consciously and deliberately referring to an unspecified land inhabited by such antelopes and that this is how listeners to and readers of it would be expected to have understood it, do you? . . . No - why would I believe that? Isn't it obvious that he was simply having a laugh at the politically over-correct? Mocking them! Scorning them! OK, well, I'm pleased to learn that you do not believe that but at the same time am far from certain that Bloom's remark was consciously and deliberately made for the specific purpose of having a laugh at "the politically over-correct" (whoever they may be - and no two people would be likely to agree fully on that) or mocking or scorning them either; it seems far more likely that he simply opened his mouth and words fell out with utter disregard to the possible consequences thereof.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 6:48:48 GMT -5
For the record, as an ultra-liberal, I have never removed anything from any website, Neil, apart from my own postings. Of course, I would rather avoid an appearance in court, wherever possible, so I am more than happy to avoid legal action with and/or against members and non-members alike. Obviously, this particular thread is political, and my politics are self-evidently revolting to all those who have felt the full force of kleines c's revolt. Due to unprecedented demand from around the world, however, everyone reading ' The Third', the BBC Radio 3 website, the Radio 3 Blog, the Radio 3 Forum and Friends of Radio 3 (FoR3) Blog, R3OK, ' Serious Topics' and ' The Financial Times' (FT), too, is cordially invited to a birthday party. Join us promptly at 19:00 (BST) on Wednesday 16 October 2013 to celebrate the seventy-fifth birthday of the composer Howard Blake at Leighton House, 12 Holland Park Road, Kensington, London W14 8LZ. Howard will be playing some of his own music and Franz Schubert's ' Notturno'. I propose some toast: to Howard, the Kensington and Chelsea Music Society ( KCMS) and all of you! Three cheers from kleines c and the gang (whatever you are drinking)! The Third - Howard BlakePS If you cannot make it in person, how about a film and lunch instead? For the record, here are the British Film Institute's 2012 ' Sight & Sound' Top Ten, Sydney: 846 critics, programmers, academics and distributors have voted, ahinton, and the 50-year reign of Kane is over. Our critics’ poll has a new number one. Starring James Stewart and Kim Novak, ' Vertigo' beat ' Citizen Kane' by 34 votes. In the last poll held 10 years ago, Hitchcock's 1958 thriller came five votes behind Welles's 1941 classic. But it does mean that Alfred Hitchcock, who only entered the top ten in 1982 (two years after his death), has risen steadily in esteem over the course of 30 years, with ' Vertigo' climbing from seventh place, to fourth in 1992, second in 2002 and now first, to make him the Old Master. Welles, uniquely, had two films (' The Magnificent Ambersons' as well as Kane) in the list in 1972 and 1982, but now Ambersons has slipped to 81st place in the top 100. So does 2012 – the first poll to be conducted since the internet became almost certainly the main channel of communication about films – mark a revolution in taste, such as happened in 1962? Back then a brand-new film, Antonioni’s L’avventura', vaulted into second place. If there was going to be an equivalent today, it might have been Malick’s ' The Tree of Life', which only polled one vote less than the last title in the top 100. In fact the highest film from the new century is Wong Kar-Wai’s ' In the Mood for Love', just 12 years old, now sharing joint 24th slot with Dreyer’s venerable ' Ordet'. Anyway, here is Kim Novak in ' Vertigo': BFI - VertigoIf you do not trust kleines c's cooking, Neil, why not lunch with the FT instead? Lunch with the FT: Jeremy Deller - Over sardines and spaghetti at the Venice Biennale, the British artist talks about riots, royals and Andy Warhol
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Post by ahinton on Aug 9, 2013 6:52:03 GMT -5
Is there a rule about posting that one intends to leave the forum? I have no idea (although I am of course conscious of the fact that you are not directing your question at me). Why, then, was my message about that deleted? If by "my message" you refer to post #71 in this thread as quoted in my post #74, it (and my response) still appears so, unless reinstated since you asked this question and before I responded to it, I do not understand what you mean by its deletion. I have now left this forum, and will not return. You still seem to be online here (or rather you were when I begain to type this response) and your name remains for the time being in the forum members list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 8:19:05 GMT -5
What a loss Neil is to civilisation, ahinton! We shall not see his like again!
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Post by ahinton on Aug 9, 2013 8:50:33 GMT -5
What a loss Neil is to civilisation, ahinton! I neither can nor propose to comment. We shall not see his like again! To the extent that this board's member list still displays his name, one might argue that we have not yet ceased to see him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 9:17:59 GMT -5
I guess that one problem for Sydney, ahinton, is because 'The Third' has so few (active) members, the loss of Neil will significantly alter the dynamics of this particular discussion forum.
What I would therefore suggest is that all the remaining members invite someone else to post something interesting here, in the hope that we can improve the quality of discussion.
Is there anything in particular which you would like to discuss this weekend, ahinton?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 9:31:28 GMT -5
I think Adolf Hitler had some interesting ideas, as did Karl Marx, obviously, these are best discussed offline to avoid flaming, as humans do not do well in a situation where body language etc. is not present. The interesting thing is that Hitler decided he liked Bruckner in the end, instead of Wagner, which I believe shows a mature taste. I still suspect he ended up with a secret collection of music by Mahler. What would have happened if Hitler had ended up in a conversation with Mahler about the music of Wagner at the steps of the opera house or via a 'friends of the opera house' society and Mahler had said 'i say, you do know a lot, why not join me and my friends for coffee at that cafe across the street, you look a bit skint, let me buy you cake and coffee'... As long as we keep talking about the music, we can avoid zer war !
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Post by ahinton on Aug 9, 2013 9:35:47 GMT -5
I guess that one problem for Sydney, ahinton, is because ' The Third' has so few (active) members, the loss of Neil will significantly alter the dynamics of this particular discussion forum. Be that the case or be it not, that's not the point that I was making. It's not up to Sydney Grew if Neil wishes to terminate his membership of this forum as he appears to have announved his decision to do realier in this thread, for that is Neil's prerogative and no one else's; my point was merely that he still appears to be a member here despite having published his intention to leave. What I would therefore suggest is that all the remaining members invite someone else to post something interesting here, in the hope that we can improve the quality of discussion. Is there anything in particular which you would like to discuss this weekend, ahinton? I think that I've probably said more than enough for the time being and certainly do not think that I have anything further to contribute to a discussion of Mr Heffer, although I am about to respond to the post about Hitler and Mahler...
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