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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 7, 2013 11:40:21 GMT -5
Simon Heffer is not the only UKIP supporter to enjoy music. One of the UKIP MEP's, a Mr Godfrey Bloom, is apparently a fan of the bongos. He even believes there is a whole country named after them.
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Post by ahinton on Aug 7, 2013 15:23:41 GMT -5
Simon Heffer is not the only UKIP supporter to enjoy music. One of the UKIP MEP's, a Mr Godfrey Bloom, is apparently a fan of the bongos. He even believes there is a whole country named after them. Indeed; it would actually be "bon" if only he would "bloom"in' well "go". I understand that, presumably under considerable pressure of various kinds from various sources, he has subsequently issued an "apology" for his crassness of expression, so we can all now see that he has accordingly issued himself. I'm not sure, however, what this might have to do with the thread topic of Mr Heffer...
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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 8, 2013 3:25:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure, however, what this might have to do with the thread topic of Mr Heffer... Mr Heffer stumps for the UKIP and is a declared supporter. As a man with a daily column in Britain's top-selling newspaper, he is their most prominent mouthpiece.
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Post by ahinton on Aug 8, 2013 6:54:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure, however, what this might have to do with the thread topic of Mr Heffer... Mr Heffer stumps for the UKIP and is a declared supporter. As a man with a daily column in Britain's top-selling newspaper, he is their most prominent mouthpiece. Fair comment insofar as it goes, to be sure, but it was Bloom and not Heffer who made this crass comment followed by what some might well regard as an even crasser apology for it and, unless Heffer publishes a piece in support of Bloom's inappropriate use of terminology, the link between him and this incident would still seem to be somewhat tenuous; furthermore, it seems reasonably clear that UKIP as a whole is not exactly standing behind Bloom's indiscretion by regarding it as representative of the manner in which it would expect to give public expression to its general attitude to the issue of foreign aid.
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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 8, 2013 12:09:34 GMT -5
furthermore, it seems reasonably clear that UKIP as a whole is not exactly standing behind Bloom's indiscretion by regarding it as representative of the manner in which it would expect to give public expression to its general attitude to the issue of foreign aid. Unless he's thrown out of their party, I am going to assume that the oafish Heffer supports every word Bloom spouts. And in truth, I believe he does.
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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 8, 2013 12:22:44 GMT -5
Afua Hirsch has published A GUIDE TO BONGO-BONGO LAND for the benefit of Messers Bloom, Farage and Heffer. Meanwhile, in case there is any doubt that Heffer speaks for this vile party of racist Little Englander neanderthals, here's his election pledge from the last election. It proved too much even for the Telegraph, who kicked him out afterwards. It proves that even they have at least some standards. The very latest is that Mr Bloom now claims that 'bongo' refers to an antelope.Legendary antelopes in their natural environmentMr Farage enjoys a bit of bongo:
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Post by ahinton on Aug 8, 2013 15:23:20 GMT -5
furthermore, it seems reasonably clear that UKIP as a whole is not exactly standing behind Bloom's indiscretion by regarding it as representative of the manner in which it would expect to give public expression to its general attitude to the issue of foreign aid. Unless he's thrown out of their party, I am going to assume that the oafish Heffer supports every word Bloom spouts. And in truth, I believe he does. You are of course welcome to make such an assumption if that's what you choose to do - and, who knows? you might be correct in so doing and, if so, who knows? again, he might just find himself so expelled; but let's wait and see, shall we?
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Post by ahinton on Aug 8, 2013 15:25:33 GMT -5
Afua Hirsch has published A GUIDE TO BONGO-BONGO LAND for the benefit of Messers Bloom, Farage and Heffer. Meanwhile, in case there is any doubt that Heffer speaks for this vile party of racist Little Englander neanderthals, here's his election pledge from the last election. It proved too much even for the Telegraph, who kicked him out afterwards. It proves that even they have at least some standards. The very latest is that Mr Bloom now claims that 'bongo' refers to an antelope.Legendary antelopes in their natural environmentMr Farage enjoys a bit of bongo: But these people, for all the increase in support for UKIP in some quarters (temporarily, I imagine), remain unelectable! - so let them go play their bongos if that's what they enjoy doing behind closed doors among consenting adults...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 18:29:16 GMT -5
. . . let them go play their bongos if that's what they enjoy doing behind closed doors among consenting adults . . . 1) Surely the member meant to write "let them go AND play their bongos"? 2) Why the "closed doors"? Let them come out and do it on the streets, in the country-side, on the beaches, and on the landing grounds!
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Post by ahinton on Aug 8, 2013 23:46:18 GMT -5
. . . let them go play their bongos if that's what they enjoy doing behind closed doors among consenting adults . . . 1) Surely the member meant to write "let them go AND play their bongos"? In British English, that would indeed be the case; discussion of bongos being far from a British matter, however, the American English usage seems to me to be far from inappropriate in the present context. 2) Why the "closed doors"? Let them come out and do it on the streets, in the country-side, on the beaches, and on the landing grounds! But that's the very problem! Had Bloom merely made his remark quietly in a pub to a friend rather than done it publicly, Mr McG would not have known about it and therefore not felt inclined to refer to it; likewise, he (Bloom, that is) would not have been asked to make a public apology for his crass remark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 0:28:06 GMT -5
Good morning to you all! I should perhaps confess that I had to look the word 'bongo' up, Neil, because I did not really know where 'bongo bongo land' was! The Free Dictionary - bongoIt is probably somewhere in Africa, although I suspect that the term is more cultural than geographical? BBC News - 'Bongo Bongo Land': UKIP bans use of 'outdated' phraseAccording to Wikipedia, in British English, Bongo Bongo Land (or Bongo-bongo Land) is a derogatory reference to Third World countries, particularly in Africa, or to a fictional such country. The term may come from one of the following: a. bongo drums, as (inaccurately) supposed to be played by natives; b. the largest forest antelope in Africa, the near-threatened bongo; c. a parody of African place-names or languages. The term has featured in political controversies. Alan Clark, while Conservative Member of Parliament for Plymouth Sutton, once, in a departmental meeting, allegedly referred to Africa as "Bongo Bongo Land". When called to account, however, by then Prime Minister John Major, Clark denied the comment had any racist overtones, claiming it had simply been a reference to the President of Gabon, Omar Bongo. Taki Theodoracopulos called Kenya "bongo-bongo land" in his Spectator column. The Guardian later criticized his use of "offensive and outdated stereotypes". In July 2013, Godfrey Bloom, Member of the European Parliament for Yorkshire and the Humber for the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) was filmed referring to countries which receive overseas aid from the United Kingdom as "Bongo Bongo Land". UKIP later banned use of the term, and while Bloom refused to apologise for his remarks, he later stated that he regretted "any genuine offence which might have been caused." A spokesperson from Show Racism the Red Card stated that Bloom's remarks were: "crude stereotypes that see Britain as a civilised place and overseas as tribal". Wikipedia - Bongo Bongo LandI simply note that the word 'bongo' is controversial, and may cause offence, although it does, I suspect, still have comic potential! In terms of finance, Godfrey Bloom is arguing, I suspect, that it may be unwise to give money to Third World countries, because it will tend to go to the corrupt! From an economic perspective, my feeling would be that trade rather than aid can often be more useful, although the consequences of both can sometimes be difficult to work out! For example, let us assume that I decide to take a holiday in Somalia! This is a form of trade, but also quite a dodgy place for kleines c to go for his summer holiday. If it helps the Somali economy to grow, this may be a good thing? Alternatively, I could give the holiday money to a charity to be spent on aid to Somalia, for example, thus depriving myself of a Somali holiday! Probably a safer option, Gerard?
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Post by Gerard on Aug 9, 2013 1:00:03 GMT -5
Had Bloom merely made his remark quietly in a pub to a friend rather than done it publicly, Mr McG would not have known about it . . . I doubt Mr. Bloom would ever feel the need to defer to Mr. McG's feelings. And actually I think his antelope-explanation shows an admirable humour: "If anybody would care to take the trouble to get out the Oxford Dictionary this morning and look it up, he will find that a bongo is a white antelope that lives in the forest, and there is no connotation of racialism about it whatsoever. Bongo land is the land of the antelope." Collapse of P.C. party.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 2:08:38 GMT -5
Jacob, Neil, rather than Jasper. Coincidentally, I once met his distinguished father, William, at the Royal Opera House, and he was most upset that I was dressed too casually (green cords)! These days, I am more likely to wear a more extreme vision of masculinity! FT - Paris menswear show: runway report 5By the way, I rather like Jacob, too! Wikipedia - Jacob Rees-Mogg
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 2:33:21 GMT -5
I have never heard of the organisation ' Traditional Britain' before either, Neil! Traditional Britain - Traditional Britain Group Statement regarding 'Liberal Conspiracy' smearMy own position would be that the unity of British culture is simply the end product of millennia of labour by our diverse ancestors. It is a heritage which we spurn at our peril, and of which it would be a crime to deprive future generations. Much rather, it is our task to preserve and renew this glorious heritage! Of course, as a liberal, I would add that others are more than welcome to reject our heritage completely! The shock of the new, so to speak? PS Neil's original two postings, to which I have just replied, have mysteriously disappeared. Sydney might have felt that it was a little too provocative, particularly for those who might find themselves to the right of Neil, at least politically speaking. My own view is that the extreme right, just like the extreme left, is quite entitled to express itself. At the hustings, however, I always find that they prefer to adopt my own policies, if only because they make so much more sense, Sydney!
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Post by neilmcgowan on Aug 9, 2013 4:00:34 GMT -5
You have deleted my message, because it disagrees with you, Kleines C.
I am leaving this forum immediately.
Note from admin: 'twas I who removed two messages, because of the laws of libel (not the first time). Nothing to do with kleines c!
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