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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 7:14:58 GMT -5
My own particular concern is specifically confined to neo-Neils, ahinton. Anyone who in any way resembles Neil should seek immediate medical attention, if only for possible lunchtime heat stroke!
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 7:17:51 GMT -5
My concern is specifically confined to neo-Neils, ahinton. Anyone who in any way resembles Neil should seek immediate medical attention. Mine was and still are as expressed in my responses to Neil's posts; yours are self-evidently quite different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 8:04:31 GMT -5
In what sense, ahinton?
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 8:16:03 GMT -5
I should have thought perfectly obvious, actually; if you read my posts in response to Neil's you should be able to grasp what it is that I was writing about; yours are apparently about "neo-Neils", or something, whatever they may be (if indeed anything at all).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 8:21:44 GMT -5
Anyone who in any way resembles Neil may be defined as ' neo-Neil' in this particular context, ahinton. There may be many ways, for example, in which you resemble Neil. This resemblance potentially makes you a ' neo-Neil'; stay cool today!
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Post by neilmcgowan on Jul 15, 2013 8:44:32 GMT -5
or is your concern specifically confined to those for UKIP? I am unaware of the publicly-declared mouthpieces of other political parties being given their own series on R3 of late - although I am sure you'll correct me if I'm mistaken? There is a further issue - that of the entire repertoire of British music being handed over to extremist nationalists, as though it is somehow their property?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 9:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 9:18:09 GMT -5
Anyone who in any way resembles Neil may be defined as ' neo-Neil' in this particular context, ahinton. There may be many ways, for example, in which you resemble Neil. This resemblance potentially makes you a ' neo-Neil'; stay cool today! Not for the first time, I must confess to having less than the faintest idea what it is that you're talking about! Never having met Neil, I have no idea to what extent and in what ways, if indeed any, I might resemble him but, as far as I am aware, that has nothing whatsoever to do with Simon Heffer presenting programmes on BBC R3.
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 9:24:25 GMT -5
or is your concern specifically confined to those for UKIP? I am unaware of the publicly-declared mouthpieces of other political parties being given their own series on R3 of late - although I am sure you'll correct me if I'm mistaken? Well, David Mellor has done his stuff on occasion in the past, but what concerns me more is whether Mr Heffer included any detail on or even hints of his political allegiance in his R3 broadcasts or indeed in any way sought demonstrably to use those programmes as a springboard for them and, if indeed he has, that would be reprehensible irrespective of the particular party on whose behalf he did it (but, as I've not heard his programmes, I cannot say with certainty). There is a further issue - that of the entire repertoire of British music being handed over to extremist nationalists, as though it is somehow their property? But who has done that? Had that actually happened - and I am considering here your words "handed over", as though on some kind of blanket basis - then the entire presentational régime operational throughout BBC Radio 3 would be tarred with that brush; do you believe that all BBC R3 presenters are thus chosen on the grounds of their extremist nationalist views? Surely what really matters here is whether a presenter - guest, regular or otherwise - knows his or her stuff well enough to fulfil that rôle to a degree acceptable on Radio 3 and I cannot vouch for the qualifications of Mr Heffer in this regard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 9:36:54 GMT -5
Simon read English, ahinton.
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 11:11:21 GMT -5
Simon read English, ahinton. OK, but how might that of itself guarantee that he knows his stuff sufficiently well to present programmes about British music to a standard that listeners ought to expect of BBC R3? (assuming that it is this question to which you are responding thus)...
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Post by neilmcgowan on Jul 15, 2013 11:36:01 GMT -5
Well, David Mellor has done his stuff on occasion in the past Exactly - he was the only one I could think of. And then, like № 11 buses, two hardline rightwing extremists come along at once?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 11:36:23 GMT -5
These are all relative judgements, Neil. For example, I find you to be far more extreme than either David or Simon!
As it happens, my eldest sister read English, too, but in all truth, my English is far better than hers, Sydney.
So an English degree cannot guarantee anything. Out of interest, what guarantees would you personally find acceptable in such circumstances, ahinton?
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 11:49:24 GMT -5
Well, David Mellor has done his stuff on occasion in the past Exactly - he was the only one I could think of. And then, like № 11 buses, two hardline rightwing extremists come along at once? I repeat, did either parade or otherwise allude to their political allegiances in their programmes about music, either as part of what they were supposed to be talking about or en passant?
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Post by ahinton on Jul 15, 2013 11:52:39 GMT -5
These are all relative judgements, Neil. For example, I find you to be far more extreme than either David or Simon! As it happens, my eldest sister read English, too, but in all truth, my English is far better than hers, Sydney. So an English degree cannot guarantee anything. Out of interest, what guarantees would you personally find acceptable in such circumstances, ahinton? I said nothing about English degrees; it was you who raised the matter of Mr Heffer having read English. What I referred to is the question of whether Mr Heffer - or Dr Starkey, for that matter - are sufficiently well versed in the music that they were discussing in their respective presentations to enable them to conduct all their own musical research and present programmes to an acceptable standard of their own respective accords, as would be expected of other presenters whose principal profession is that of music.
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